Statues INSIDE the Crystal Palace.

[ConservatorKate]

Hello

I am training to be a museum conservator and am treating a plate with a print of a state from the Great Exhibition with the caption "Massacre of the Innocents"

The print is identical to the one on this jug in National Museums Scotland
http://nms.scran.ac.uk/database/record. ... chdb=scran

Could you help me find a picture of this statue at the Crystal Palace - there is a title on this page, but no pic! Or any references you have would also be very appreciated

Many thanks

Kate

[tulse hill terry]

To Clarify ;

The Great Exhibiton of 1851in Hyde Park was planned years before the building it was to held in had been designed.

When Joseph Paxton's glass and iron design was accepted in 1850, it was instantly nick-named "The Crystal Palace."

This name continued, when the Crystal Palace Company was formed in 1852, to permanently re-erect the building at SYDENHAM, where it stood from 1854 till 1936, when it burned to the ground.


The thread above, covers the collection of plaster casts of contemporary sculture, bought by the Crystal Palace Company and displayed at SYDENHAM from 1854 - 1936.

The image you have linked to shows a crouching female figure with '1851 EXHIBITION' underneath. This is a souvenir of the Great Exhibition of 1851, and shows an example of the sculpture which was submitted to the exhibition committee by sculptors and manufacturers, and to be sold or returned at the end of that year.

I havn't made an exhaustive study of the sculpture at the Great Exhibition as it is very well recorded, and suggest you consult "The Illustrated Exhibitor" for example. Here is a link I've just found, and shows an example of the French sculpture.

http://www.bl.uk/learning/images/victor ... 02696.html

I have added images of the two sculptures at SYDENHAM with the same title, but one is a standing female figure by James Legrew, and the other has a standing male figure as well as a crouching female one. Neither the one you are looking for . . . . .

Massacre of the Innocents by James Legrew at the Crystal Palace SYDENHAM, standing directly under the "LAM" of Lambeth.



Massacre of the Innocents by George Gamon Adams - on the left, at the Crystal Palace SYDENHAM.



. . . . and again at the International Exhibition 1862, South Kensington.





Hope this helps.

[intaglio]

Hi

Can anybody tell me whether the sculpture on this site (within Crystal Palace 1851) is a lift from a publication or is a compendium of material gathered together and if so by whom?

Thanks

JOHN HARRISON

[tulse hill terry]

Ahem,

The text in quote boxes, is from the Handbook to the Courts of Modern Sculpture by Anna Brownell Jameson, issued for the opening of the Crystal Palace at SYDENHAM in 1854. As it says at the top of this thread. NOT the Great Exhibition at Hyde Park of 1851.

This handbook is completely UNILLUSTRATED. I have transcribed the text, which is displayed in quote boxes. Any corrections or additions to the collections made later and listed in guides later than 1854 are NOT in quote boxes.

The illustrations and additions have been added as part of MY research. I have attributed sources of illustrations whenever I have remembered them, BUT THEY ARE RARELY MY COPYRIGHT.

THIS IS NOT A GUIDE TO THE SCULPTURE THAT WAS EXHIBITED AT THE GREAT EXHIBITION OF 1851.

IT IS OF THE SCULPTURE EXHIBITED AT CRYSTAL PALACE AT SYDENHAM FROM 1854 TO 1936 WHEN THE BUILDING WAS BURNT DOWN



Some of the remains of the cast after the fire of 1836, from Sphere Magazine 1936

http://sydenham.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=5171

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Left page

Top left - The grounds of Crystal Palace, Sydenham, ca. 1860's.
Top right - Chimpanzee at the Crystal Palace, ca. 1860's.
Bottom left - 6b. "The Maid of Saragossa" by John Bell
Bottom right - 263. "A Hunter" by August Wittig

Right page

Top left. - A Parian piece - from anywhere . . .
Top right - 217. "Eve" by Bertel Thorwaldsen
Bottom left - 7. "Andromeda" by John Bell
Bottom right - 13. "Venus Vinitrice" by John Gibson

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Left page

Top left - 108. "Malibran" by William Geefs
Top right - 108 "Malibran" by William Geefs
Bottom left - "The Sleep of Sorrow and the Dream of Joy" - Raffaelle Monti (NOT AT THE PALACE)
Bottom right - 115** "Night" by Jean Michel Ange Pollet

Right page

Top left - 46. "Mourners" by John Graham Lough
Top right - Godiva by John Thomas (NOT AT THE PALACE)
Bottom left - 264. "A Hunter Defending His Familty" by Max Von Widmann
Bottom right - 5. "Una and the Lion" by John Bell

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Left page

Top left - "Girl Reading" by Pietro Magni (NOt AT THE CRYSTAL PALACE)
Top right - bas relief -from anywhere ?
Bottom left - bust of Jesus Christ . . from ?
Bottom right - ? though definitely at Sydenham.

Right page

Top left - ? Could be from anywhere . . .
Top right - 150* "Eve" by Raffaelle Monti
Bottom left - 138. "Mary Magdalene" by Antonio Canova
Bottom right - ? from anywhere . . .

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Left page

Top left - "Girl Dancing" by Thomas Crawford
Top right - 122. "Cupid Disguised in a Lamb's Skin" by Giovanni Maria Belzoni
Bottom left - 23. "Cupid with a Butterfly" by John Gibson
Bottom right - 147. "Girl Sewing" by Pietro Magni

Right page

Top left - Pieta by Michelangelo
Top right - 115* "Charity" by Theodore Phyffers
Bottom left - 100. "Cain" by Antoine Etex
Bottom right - "Godiva" by William Calder Marshall

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Left page

Top left - 201. "A Madonna" by Schlottaur 'of Munich' . . .
Top right - 85. "La Pudeur" (Modesty) by Pierre Cartelier
Bottom left - 142. "Murder of the Innocents" by Giuseppe Dini
Bottom right - 14. "Flora" by John Gibson

Right page

Top left - 49. "First Whisper of Love" by William Calder Marshall
Top right - 19. "Venus and Cupid" by John Gibson
Bottom left - 73. "Ino and Bacchus" by Richard James Wyatt
Bottom right - "Nymph and cupid" by Eduard Muller, from the 1862 International Exhibition.

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Left page

Top left - Blank
Top right - 44. "David" by John Graham Lough
Bottom left - 41 "Satan" by John Grajam Lough
Bottom right - 149. "Italy" by Raffaelle Monti (for the upper terrace)

Right page

Top left - "Paolo and Francesca" by Alexander Munro
Top right - 52. "Zephyr and Aurora" by William Calder Marshall
Bottom left - 262. "Hagar"by August Wittig
Bottom right - "Pieta" by Wilhelm Achtermann from 1862 International Exhibition . . .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_W ... Achtermann

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Left page

Top left - 13. "Venus Vinitrice" by John Gibson
Top right - ? though looks as if it's at Crystal Palace . . .
Bottom left - Is this 118. "L' Innocence" by Etienne Jules Ramey ?
Bottom right - 38. "Musidora" by James Legrew

Right page

Top left - "Girl Reading" by Pietro Magni (NOT AT THE CRYSTAL PALACE)
Top right - 96. "The First Cradle" by August Hyacinthe Debay
Bottom left - 50. "Dancing Girl" by William Calder Marshall
Bottom right - Blank

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Left page

Top left - 121. "Charity" by Lorenzo Bartolini
Top right - 21. "Psyche Borne by the Zephyrs" by John Gibson
Bottom left - 22. "Hylas and the Nymphs" by John Gibson
Bottom right - 162. "Minerva Protecting a Warrior" by Gustaf Blaeser

Right page

Top left - ? Bas-relief from ? . . .
Top right - 191. "Eagle" by Christian Daniel Rauch
Bottom left - ? from ? . . .
Bottom right by #3c "Apollo Discharging His Bow" by E. H. Baily

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Left page

Top left - ?
Top right - ?
Bottom left - ? but looks definitely as from the Crystal Palace . . .
Bottom right - 15. "Cupid Disguised as a Shepherd Boy" by John Gibson

Right page

Top left - ? by Christian Friedrich Tieck
Top right - 261. "A Magdalen" by Theodor Wagner
Bottom left - #4c "Eve Listening" by E. H. Baily
Bottom right - "Homer" by

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Left page

Top left - 94. "The Hunt" by Jean Baptiste Joseph Debay
Top right - Blank
Bottom left - Blank
Bottom right - 171. "Medicine" by Ernest Julius Hahnel

Right page

Top left - ? from / . . .
Top right - 93. The Three Fates by Joseph Debay.
Bottom left - 177. "Thucyclides" by Johan Ernst Mayer
Bottom right - 176. "Homer" by Johan Ernst Mayer

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Left page

Top left - 163. "A Child Christ" by Gustaf Blaeser
Top right - by Christian Friedrich Tieck
Bottom left - A Bacchus from the Classical cast collection at the Crystal Palace.
Bottom right - 37. "Samson" by James Legrew

Right page

Top left - 17. "Narcissus" by John Gibson
Top right - 63. "Boy with a Butterfly" by Thrupp
Bottom left - 18. "Aurora" by John Gibson
Bottom right - 51/ "Sabrina" by William Calder Marshall

[cyri]

Hello,

I work on the Crystal Palace for my master degree dissertation and on the modern sculptures inside the palace.

I wonder where you found the last album of photographs with the statues taken one by one. Do you know when they were taken?

Thank you in advance for the answer.

Cyrielle

[tulse hill terry]

The album was for sale on ebay UK and went unsold. The seller never replied to me.

Most photography was taken by - or at least published by Negretti & Zambra in the early years of the Crystal Palace. Even till the 1890's there were notices that no photography by anyone else was permitted at the site.

Good Luck with your dissertation - would love to read it when it is finished.

[adpotts]

I should be grateful for any information about the source of the top image under #83 Barre Bacchante - a daguerreotype showing the sculpture displayed in a row with three other works, the one in the foreground being Pradier's Atlanta tying her sandal. I should like to publish the image and want to credit the source