Eliza Place

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will greenwood
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Eliza Place

Post by will greenwood »

I was wondering if anyone had anything at all about Eliza Place, on Stanstead Rd, roughly opposite the old open end of Rockbourne Rd, next to where the Forest Hill Hotel now stands.
Who was Eliza?*
Are there any other images apart from this extract from another drawing?
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(Eliza place is just beyond the line of trees)

I'm also interested in the old wood yard that occupied the railway bank opposite Rojack Rd, behind 2 large white double gates, up until the early 1970s.

any ideas?


(*I have my suspicions, but I'm not sure.)
Falkor
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Post by Falkor »

That picture is interesting... It seems the railway was built on a bank with Stanstead, Waldram Place + Perry Vale at the foot, and Devonshire, Dartmouth + London on top. When Waldram Crescent was laid, they must have dug through the bank. Traffic must have passed from London Road to Perry Vale via a steep slope after the level crossing (before the tracks were widened from two to four) from the top of the bank down to the foot of it.
will greenwood
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Post by will greenwood »

no
the embankment is the same as today, but without trees.
stanstead rd continued up what was perry vale to the station.
this side was obviously lower than the london rd side, so there must have been a slope, but not too steep, around the station.
(if you look closely, you can see the bridge just in front of the line of trees from london rd
(it seems there has been an underpass, vale or crossing point where the modern one is, even before the canal.)
waldram crescent, under the railway, would have been built when the railway was built, (as would the bridge, obviously)...probably to service the atmospheric railway buildings.
When the railway was widened the embankment was widened, and given straight sides, with concrete to hold it up...its all still sthere behind the flats on this spot today.
obviously, the northern bend at the foot of london rd was extended at this time to pass under the bridge to meet the new road.
traffic never passed from london rd to perry vale, as London rd stopped at the dartmouth rd junction, even before the canal was built...that slope must have been enough to divert them in those days....the swing bridge here was only big enough for pedestrians.
(the canal must have had an east side embankment as it passed into forest hill along davids rd,,,,and probably sporadically untill silverdale at least.... it would have had a western embankment at sydenham)

so, the perry vale side has always been 'the other sideof the tracks' even before there were tracks!

do you know if there are any images at all of either old rockbourne road, rojack rd or the forest hill hotel?
this is one of the oldest areas in forest hill, and marked the eastern edge of sydenham common...
will greenwood
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Post by will greenwood »

here's the lie of the land....

you can see that waldram park was built in after the canal, at the time of the railways arrival
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