Going over old ground - The Hound that is Grey

[Tim Lund]

Right forum fans, this is my last thought for the thread as reading it tends to frustrate me but..

See comment here on Re: Why people don't get involved

[Tim Lund]

Or put your efforts into getting Purelake to compensate Sydenham for this disaster - enough bad publicity might force action.

I have been thinking about this quite a bit - the notion that what Purelake have done is just plain wrong. Websites like ebay run on the reputation of the users - if a seller (or a buyer) gets bad reviews their reputation suffers and after a while no one will work with them.

Could not something similar exist in terms of property development companies? I mean who in their right mind would contract Purelake again after this debacle? Is the mess that Purelake have made of Cobb's Corner, not to say the cynicism with which they have gone about their business something that other organizations considering their tender might be interested in?

I too have been thinking about reputations, but not just our views about Purelake's. Everyone involved, both businesses and their customers, have reputations, and they matter. If Purelake's reputation is suffering here, this may be offset by another reputation in other areas, and with other parties it has to deal being impervious to this mess. The reputation Purelake will care about is getting new homes built on time, and their financial creditworthiness, which is what anyone wanting to do business with them,e.g. Housing Associations - will look at. Call it cynicism if you wish, but how do you suppose the Greyhound saga will look to potential clients, should the matter arise? They will not see it through our eyes.

[leenewham]

I await Biscuitman's updates on this whole fiasco, which is both Purelake and Lewisham council's doing. I'd like to thank Biscuitman and all the people working behind the scenes to ensure the pub will be rebuilt (there is a local effort to this regard which you don't see on the forum).

The Greyhound will eventually be rebuilt, pub owners were consulted in the rebuild, it uses the original brick of the building and the original facade of the pub. The interior tiled corridor is being reused inside. From the front it will look like it did. It is big enough to be a viable pub. There is no information to say that it isn't, that is mere speculation.

So lets focus on the rebuild shall we, and more importantly, what it will be once it is finished.

[leenewham]

This is the visual of the finished building. It's not exactly right (and the buildings behind aren't quite like this unfortunately).




This is the ground floor:


This is the basement where the kitchens and toilets etc will be (similar to the Exhibition Rooms in CP):



This is the upstairs:


This could be extra seating for the restaurant side of things. It would be a fantastic space if they opened it up to the roof void and it was more open plan.

It's potentially a fantastic space.

[Tim Lund]

Talking of angles, what is positive depends on how you look at things

Don't be fooled - the above is really Tim Lund's vision of Sydenham's built environment after his affordable housing scheme gets the go ahead.

Amusing, I'll grant you , but I still have to correct the misrepresentation, so please follow in this new thread:

Three options on housing

[G-Man]

Nice one Lee. Looks fantastic. And ticks ALL the boxes.

Can we stick to talking about the Greyhound specifically and not our housing crisis. Perhaps Tim's post should be put on another thread admin?

Cheers

G-Man

[Tim Lund]

Nice one Lee. Looks fantastic. And ticks ALL the boxes.

Can we stick to talking about the Greyhound specifically and not our housing crisis. Perhaps Tim's post should be put on another thread admin?

Cheers

G-Man

Somewhere out of sight and out of mind? How convenient for you, as you demand unquantified amounts to be spent by somebody else doing things as you want them to be.

In this case it was Rod Taylor introducing the subject of my views on the need for more housing in London, so please don't blame me for responding as I did.

[leenewham]

I think it was off topic too.

I'm all for debating about housing, but not when it derails a thread, taking it in a completely different direction.

BACK ON TOPIC:

This is the visual of the finished building. It's not exactly right (and the buildings behind aren't quite like this unfortunately).




This is the ground floor:


This is the basement where the kitchens and toilets etc will be (similar to the Exhibition Rooms in CP):



This is the upstairs:


This could be extra seating for the restaurant side of things. It would be a fantastic space if they opened it up to the roof void and it was more open plan.

It's potentially a fantastic space.

[Tim Lund]

OK - back on topic. How much is this likely to cost?

[admin]

Hey, its Friday afternoon so loosen up folks!

If you want any moderation its simpler just to PM me or report the post. I can then take action or explain why not directly to you rather than further confuse a thread.

Threads are allowed to wander. The issue is when two parallel discussions develop in the same thread. If they become well established I split the thread. Otherwise I allow nature to take its course

Admin (if you want to publicly respond please do it in Town Asylum)

[G-Man]

Admin. You're right!

OK - back on topic. How much is this likely to cost?

Does it really matter? It needs to be done and Purelake need to pay.

[Tim Lund]

Admin. You're right!

OK - back on topic. How much is this likely to cost?

Does it really matter? It needs to be done and Purelake need to pay.

Costs always matter.

[G-Man]

Not to me. Because I'm not paying. Pure lake are. And if a little bit of my tax has gone into paying for a few bits along the way then so be it. I feel very strongly about pubs. Especially this one. And I can't wait for it to open!!!

G-man

[mosy]

The old Greyhound had forecourt parking. Has that gone in the new plan? Just asking as an artist's impression isn't necessarily set in stone. Does it make sense to expect people to trundle to/from from Girton Road, especially if hoping a supermarket might take a retail space? If no spaces or even a taxi-style pickup area then I guess a pub would be relying on foot traffic only. Is that an "ouch"?

[marymck]

The old Greyhound had forecourt parking. Has that gone in the new plan? Just asking as an artist's impression isn't necessarily set in stone. Does it make sense to expect people to trundle to/from from Girton Road, especially if hoping a supermarket might take a retail space? If no spaces or even a taxi-style pickup area then I guess a pub would be relying on foot traffic only. Is that an "ouch"?

I imagine that wherever Sainsburys are going to do their unloading will be suitable for a taxi drop off/pick up point. I don't know where that will be, but Sainsbury's rules no reversing for their delivery vans. They deliver and pick up five times a day for Sainsburys Local.

[Eagle]

The former car park is now occupied by luxury apartments.


I think a pub served by foot clients only would be very welcome for Sydenham. If they could find room for a couple of handicapped spaces all the better.

[maestro]

#HatePurelake

Keeping the pressure on...

http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/11040 ... ?ref=var_0

[leenewham]

I agree Rod, many words lose their meaning.

Where did you read that the flats were luxury Eagle? I thought they were all Housing Association.

http://www.hexagon.org.uk/content/666/c ... -se26.aspx

"Cobbs Court was officially opened by the Mayor of Lewisham in December 2012. The scheme provides 40 social rented units"

[gillyjp]

I agree Rod, many words lose their meaning.

Where did you read that the flats were luxury Eagle? I thought they were all Housing Association.

http://www.hexagon.org.uk/content/666/c ... -se26.aspx

"Cobbs Court was officially opened by the Mayor of Lewisham in December 2012. The scheme provides 40 social rented units"

Hmm - that's a bit classist isn't it Leenewham? Are Housing Association tenants or social rented flats not allowed to have 'luxury' flats then? If not, why not? I expect the term 'luxury' means a fitted kitchen and a decent bathroom. How would you have them live? And lets face it - judging by the mess that Pure Lake made of the Greyhound, I don't hold out much hope for any flats they've built.

[leenewham]

Hi Gill,

Eagle said they were luxury flats. Luxury flats means, to me at least, top of the range. I wouldn't expect any rented accommodation, especially overlooking a road and a railway line, to be 'luxury'. It doesn't matter if it's housing association or not. There is no mention of the word luxury in the link I posted. As I understand it, people from all backgrounds can have a housing association property if they fit the criteria. I doubt if they ask 'what class are you'. I don't even know what class means these days and why it even matters. No 'class' of person is any better or worse than any other. I'm not sure why you even wrote some of the other stuff, I think you miss-understood what I wrote. And please, just call me lee, using my whole name makes me feel like I'm back in school!