Skinheads

[fat_mike]

I'm thinking of moving to Sydenham so I decided to drive around the are last Sunday. I couldn't help but notice there were a few skinheads drinking in the pub near The Dolphin at the front of the pub.

Just wonderig if Sydenham has a large skinhead problem?

[Monica]

Is this a joke?

[fat_mike]

No joke! Serious question or is that pub a dive anyhow?

[leenewham]

Nope, no skinhead problem. I think you are talking about the King Alfred pub down the bottom of the high street. I'm moving to Sydenham, I go there almost every weekend and some evenings and have been for ages and have yet to see or hear about any problems.

[user100]

I think he means the Golden Lion maybe?

Have never seen any skinheads as such in Sydenham, although plenty of bald guys!

BTW, the Golden Lion is a fine pub. Proper old fashioned boozer which is always nice to have in any area, nice mixed crowd. Not cheap in there but prob worth the extra as the gaffer there does not put up with any messing.

[couldbeanyone]

What is wrong with "skinheads"?

[user100]

good question.

here's one source of info on skinheads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinhead

I guess the OP may be concerned about the more negative characteristics and activities that some skinheads may embody.

In any case, I have never seen or experienced any issue with skinheads in the local area, and in fact don't remember ever seeing any.

So I would say that IMHO there is not a skinhead problem in Sydenham.

[poppy]

Couldbeanyone. Sorry but I cannot help asking, but where do you live now then? (ie: location: thankfullynolongersydenham) I am intrigued.

[couldbeanyone]

I did live on the high street, above Grandisons International, hence why I did not like it much, besides I really do not like any of the many areas of SE and the whole of London for living. I moved out to Kent (outside m25) where I could afford to buy a house. IMO Lewisham is GREAT for parks, but horrible everything else.

[The Eagle]

I'm thinking of moving to Sydenham so I decided to drive around the are last Sunday. I couldn't help but notice there were a few skinheads drinking in the pub near The Dolphin at the front of the pub.

Just wonderig if Sydenham has a large skinhead problem?

There were plenty in Sydenham .................but that was 30 years ago

[couldbeanyone]

I posted because i found the OP query very offensive, what if I were to say does Sydenham have an asian, african, jamaican, gay, lesbian, transsexual, midget, fat disabled persons problem?

I am suprised that this topic was not locked.

And whats with the asumption that skin heads are a problem? The same could be said for transsexuals, africans, jamicans, asians, gays, lesbians, midgets, disabled persons some are ok people and others are violent, thugs, racists, criminals.

[admin]

I am suprised that this topic was not locked ... whats with the asumption that skin heads are a problem?

I think the justification for not locking is that the responses showed that skinheads could relate to all sorts of hirsute challenged people and that none of these appear to constitute a problem in Sydenham.

People do see some groups of people as a problem. Sometimes the problem is real, sometimes imagined. It is surely important that people in this country should be free to express their concerns and worries. If they are without justification (as in this case) they can be disabused and hopefully the OP's mind can be set at rest. If it is a problem then we can start to discuss how to solve or co-exist.

To supress genuine concerns is not part of the moderation policy here even if they can sometimes be uncomfortable. I will step in when it becomes gratuitous.

What do others think on this?

Admin

[user100]

couldbeanyone,

i find your remarks offensive,

sincerely,

Leroy Shorty Chung '5 bellies' LaRue Hawking

[fat_mike]

Hey I wasn't being rascist, and as the site admin said it was a genuine concern. For example I'm not going to say what ethnic group i belong to but to a non-white or even white person, a group og skinheads drinking in a nearby pub would be a concern to those people.

I could have easily have seen a large group of hoodies and then asked does Sydenham have chav/anti-social problem? Is that such a wrong question to ask?

When you go round blocking genuine issues that concern people on forums, then you have to ask yourself what is the point of having a forum.

regarding my post maybe I should have used "population" instead of "problem", but didn't think someone was going to get on their high horse.

[poppy]

Couldbeanyone. Despite not liking it much it seems to me that you must harbour some subconsious interest in the area to be visiting this forum. Do you think that is true? I just get a little irritated when people slag off London when it offers sooo much. We once thought about leaving London because we just had a child and suddenly had this 'we want to live somewhere really safe attack' but then realised we would find anywhere else too boring. It is really important to me for my daughter (and for our sanity quite frankly) to live somewhere so diverse and vibrant. But I do understand that the pressure to try and afford a house might force many to leave...

[Thomas]

I don't think that this was worthy of censorship, but perhaps the OP could have been more precise about what concerned him i.e. was it people being anti-social, threatening/ intimidating, criminal, being in a far-right organisation, or just people wearing DMs and having very short hair? There have after all been earlier threads about crime and safety, which generally carried on without anyone having cause for complaint.

As other people have said, not all trouble-makers are skinheads, nor are all skinheads troublemakers, so I'm not too concerned by them, although if 'Chingford Skinhead' Norman Tebbit ever moves here I'm definitely leaving the area!

[couldbeanyone]

Couldbeanyone. Despite not liking it much it seems to me that you must harbour some subconsious interest in the area to be visiting this forum. Do you think that is true? I just get a little irritated when people slag off London when it offers sooo much. We once thought about leaving London because we just had a child and suddenly had this 'we want to live somewhere really safe attack' but then realised we would find anywhere else too boring. It is really important to me for my daughter (and for our sanity quite frankly) to live somewhere so diverse and vibrant. But I do understand that the pressure to try and afford a house might force many to leave...

Force of habit and an interest in what happens to the Greyhound is why I continue to check the board. I had lived in the Forest Hill & Sydenham Area for 7 years and I only moved away 2 months ago, so it will take time for my subconcious interest to wane.

[admin]

I don't think that this was worthy of censorship, but perhaps the OP could have been more precise about what concerned him

Yep - I guess like anybody who posts in forums I do look back and often wish I had made a better post. But then (Oops another grammatical howler!) if we weighed every word for possible nuance, ambiguity and colour - I doubt most folks would take the time to post.

So as moderator I take a robust view of what is posted. If it is overtly abusive, illegal etc - it will get canned. If it grammaticaly incorrect or falls into the area of political correctness I leave it to the community to gently suggest that word, phrasing or view is unhelpful.

However, taking offence when none was intended cuts no ice here.

Admin

[simon]

To be honest the only skinheads I see in Sydenham regularly are of the gay ironic variety.

[user100]

I'm going bald but I think everyone knows that I mean it ironically.

With a slight nod to post-modernity as well.

I'm not just some slaphead loser.