Conservatives: Are you thinking what we're thinking?
Conservatives: Are you thinking what we're thinking?
What, that Howard is a total prat? YES!!!!
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Paddy Pantsdown
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I don't think so. Given an horrid inheritance by IDS he is very likely to achieve his objective of not losing badly which puts him ahead of the two previous leaders.
You may hate his campaign. But it is very clever, subtle and not aimed at you. UKIP have much to learn!
You may hate his campaign. But it is very clever, subtle and not aimed at you. UKIP have much to learn!
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as previously stated, im off to france if they ever get in again.
i know there are a lot of disgruntled labour supporters, as i myself was - i think there were many voters who expected a more socialist party, and a bit more change.
however, i think that running a country is similar to commanding an oil tanker. it takes a hundred miles to stop, and just as long to make any decent manouvres.
i still believe that tony blair is a decent man, that he has the country's, rather than his own, interests at heart, and that the labour party is still our best option.
when you consider that a majority of the press in this country still has a right wing bias, especially from the biggest selling dailies, the sun and the mail (sound of clearing throat and spitting), i think what they have acheived has been something not short of monumental.
again, remember, that we went to war with cross party support, whether you like it or not, so voting against the labour party for that, makes little sense.
prime minister brown could be interesting.
i still think john smith is the best prime minister we never had.
i know there are a lot of disgruntled labour supporters, as i myself was - i think there were many voters who expected a more socialist party, and a bit more change.
however, i think that running a country is similar to commanding an oil tanker. it takes a hundred miles to stop, and just as long to make any decent manouvres.
i still believe that tony blair is a decent man, that he has the country's, rather than his own, interests at heart, and that the labour party is still our best option.
when you consider that a majority of the press in this country still has a right wing bias, especially from the biggest selling dailies, the sun and the mail (sound of clearing throat and spitting), i think what they have acheived has been something not short of monumental.
again, remember, that we went to war with cross party support, whether you like it or not, so voting against the labour party for that, makes little sense.
prime minister brown could be interesting.
i still think john smith is the best prime minister we never had.
Fishcox,
Totally agree with you, I like the comparison to the oil tanker. It was only 8 years ago that the NHS was on its knees, people waiting 2+ years for operations, 12-16 hours plus in A&E, or on a trolley in a corridor all night.
The NHS is a particular passion of mine, and the NHS has been transformed by this Government, I see this on both sides of the fence, as a patient and as a employee. I'm happy to pay a few more pounds a month to support the NHS.
Just think our friends in America have to pay for all their treatment; just think if there wasn't an NHS you would have to foot the following. The average BUPA payment is between 40-100quid a month and doesn’t cover many things such as if you need mental illness care is a major one.
To call an ambulance costs £183.00 even before they treat you, or provide you with drugs and assistance
The average Prescription Only Medication (POM) Costs £23-£29 much more than the £6.50 prescription charge. Also bearing in mind only 20% of people actually pay for their prescriptions.
A day in Intensive Therapy Unit (ITU) costs over £8,000
A Hip operation, staff and theatre costs £6000 - not including recuperation time spent in hospital and any physio.
So realistically the average NI payment for a month wouldn't even cover calling the ambulance. Wish people would remember that before knocking the NHS. If anyone wants to spend some time in the NHS, and see the pressures and abuses put upon the staff and state, you’re more than welcome. People do the job to help the community they serve, along with the sense of humanity and a passion to work for the best employer in terms of outcome for patients in the world.
Totally agree with you, I like the comparison to the oil tanker. It was only 8 years ago that the NHS was on its knees, people waiting 2+ years for operations, 12-16 hours plus in A&E, or on a trolley in a corridor all night.
The NHS is a particular passion of mine, and the NHS has been transformed by this Government, I see this on both sides of the fence, as a patient and as a employee. I'm happy to pay a few more pounds a month to support the NHS.
Just think our friends in America have to pay for all their treatment; just think if there wasn't an NHS you would have to foot the following. The average BUPA payment is between 40-100quid a month and doesn’t cover many things such as if you need mental illness care is a major one.
To call an ambulance costs £183.00 even before they treat you, or provide you with drugs and assistance
The average Prescription Only Medication (POM) Costs £23-£29 much more than the £6.50 prescription charge. Also bearing in mind only 20% of people actually pay for their prescriptions.
A day in Intensive Therapy Unit (ITU) costs over £8,000
A Hip operation, staff and theatre costs £6000 - not including recuperation time spent in hospital and any physio.
So realistically the average NI payment for a month wouldn't even cover calling the ambulance. Wish people would remember that before knocking the NHS. If anyone wants to spend some time in the NHS, and see the pressures and abuses put upon the staff and state, you’re more than welcome. People do the job to help the community they serve, along with the sense of humanity and a passion to work for the best employer in terms of outcome for patients in the world.
very very true.
unfortunately, such facts dont get reported too often in our marvellous press.
instead, we get individual cases dragged in front of us; someone who has been prepared for an operation, which she may not live through, and been turned away three times. the truth behind this single case, unfortunately, is the poor woman is quite likely to die, if she goes under the knife, so no surgeon actually wants to do the operation; and, to be honest, who can blame them?
there are bound to be further stunts like this by the tories over the next few weeks, as both tony blair and charles kennedy have intimated.
who votes for journalists, by the way?
i read the sun every now and again (if you want to beat your enemy, sing their tune) and happened across the richard littlejohn page. he had a whole diatribe about the number of people now employed in the public sector, and the 'pointless' jobs they had.
if that isnt a case of kettle and pot, i dont know what is.
by the way, could someone please pull the screens around the ukip candidate, in the other thread, he needs his sedative.
unfortunately, such facts dont get reported too often in our marvellous press.
instead, we get individual cases dragged in front of us; someone who has been prepared for an operation, which she may not live through, and been turned away three times. the truth behind this single case, unfortunately, is the poor woman is quite likely to die, if she goes under the knife, so no surgeon actually wants to do the operation; and, to be honest, who can blame them?
there are bound to be further stunts like this by the tories over the next few weeks, as both tony blair and charles kennedy have intimated.
who votes for journalists, by the way?
i read the sun every now and again (if you want to beat your enemy, sing their tune) and happened across the richard littlejohn page. he had a whole diatribe about the number of people now employed in the public sector, and the 'pointless' jobs they had.
if that isnt a case of kettle and pot, i dont know what is.
by the way, could someone please pull the screens around the ukip candidate, in the other thread, he needs his sedative.
UKIP on the NHS...and why we are what we are (but you knew!)
Here our views, in summary, on the NHS:
Remove the government from day to day management of NHS facilities.
Return to the ‘matron’ system with a single manager responsible for all care and accommodation.
More freedom for consultants to select treatment based on clinical need rather than performance targets and fear of litigation.
Scrap Strategic Health Authorities and return hospital control to local boards.
GP surgeries to re-open in the evenings and at weekends when working people can visit.
Leave family doctors free to use their professional judgement rather than dispensing tick-box medicine.
These measures will improve NHS efficiency and staff morale and they will bring healthcare closer to the patient. While they will also release funds, we acknowledge that in the longer term further funds will be necessary as our population ages and new treatments become available.
In this respect, compared with other developed countries, Britain is an outlier in two important respects: 1) Our overall health spending per person is lower, 2), our proportion of privately funded healthcare is lower. Private health insurance schemes similar to those in France, Germany and several other countries might provide a valuable supplement to NHS resources.
Finally, turning to the matter of EU interference in health, it goes without saying that UKIP would remove the directives that restrict food supplements and herbal medicines, and doctors would no longer need to observe the working time directive.
I would gladly defer to someone like Adam who obviously can speak volumes on a subject that he is very close to. I guess I can relate to that in the same way as how we are policed. I do hope to strengthen UKIP's case with his points.
On a less serious note!
If I was more meeker then you wouldn't be still writing about me, would you? And as you perhaps realise, I never met oxygen I didn't want to swallow! Bullish? Absolutely! Threatening? Well, let's just say we are more thick skinned than perhaps you realise. Lord knows I needed it after living for fifteen years in Jamaica. But that's another story for another day!
Gotto go, UKIP are on Question Time!
Remove the government from day to day management of NHS facilities.
Return to the ‘matron’ system with a single manager responsible for all care and accommodation.
More freedom for consultants to select treatment based on clinical need rather than performance targets and fear of litigation.
Scrap Strategic Health Authorities and return hospital control to local boards.
GP surgeries to re-open in the evenings and at weekends when working people can visit.
Leave family doctors free to use their professional judgement rather than dispensing tick-box medicine.
These measures will improve NHS efficiency and staff morale and they will bring healthcare closer to the patient. While they will also release funds, we acknowledge that in the longer term further funds will be necessary as our population ages and new treatments become available.
In this respect, compared with other developed countries, Britain is an outlier in two important respects: 1) Our overall health spending per person is lower, 2), our proportion of privately funded healthcare is lower. Private health insurance schemes similar to those in France, Germany and several other countries might provide a valuable supplement to NHS resources.
Finally, turning to the matter of EU interference in health, it goes without saying that UKIP would remove the directives that restrict food supplements and herbal medicines, and doctors would no longer need to observe the working time directive.
I would gladly defer to someone like Adam who obviously can speak volumes on a subject that he is very close to. I guess I can relate to that in the same way as how we are policed. I do hope to strengthen UKIP's case with his points.
On a less serious note!
If I was more meeker then you wouldn't be still writing about me, would you? And as you perhaps realise, I never met oxygen I didn't want to swallow! Bullish? Absolutely! Threatening? Well, let's just say we are more thick skinned than perhaps you realise. Lord knows I needed it after living for fifteen years in Jamaica. But that's another story for another day!
Gotto go, UKIP are on Question Time!
I'll take some of your points - bit by bit
Return to the ‘matron’ system with a single manager responsible for all care and accommodation.
Matrons are actually present in many hospitals already, with particular emphasis on domestic care, patient care and staff/team moral and team leading, more issues around extra funding and budgets are already being discussed further. In a hospital of say 400-1000 beds one matron can't handle the accommodation, thats why it takes a team of 6-10 bed managers who are skilled staff often picked from the very departments that they serve. The Bed management service is around the clock and frees up matrons and other staff to treat patients, not spend time on the phone chasing.
More freedom for consultants to select treatment based on clinical need rather than performance targets and fear of litigation.
Consultants are given the freedom to select the appropriate treatment based on clinical need, risk analysis and the ideal outcome for the patient, this includes rehabilitation time to name but a few.
Scrap Strategic Health Authorities and return hospital control to local boards.
Do you suggest scrapping PCT's too? The role that SHA's play shapes the current and future care in the community, the very close working relationship with trusts, PCT's and the community is unique, and scrapping them would be a disaster. You could forget important projects like developing mental health services, health promotion and disease prevention and the continued importance of diagnostic imaging for patients. The issue of all the trusts working together in an area with the SHA means that a closer bond is beneficial to patients and the community.
GP surgeries to re-open in the evenings and at weekends when working people can visit.
Why? GP's already often work from 8am-6pm, with out of hours on call doctors like SELDOC and NHS Direct patients who really need to see a Doctor, Emergency Care Practitioner or require an Ambulance will always get one. If you are really that unwell then any employer would understand you attending work an hour later or leaving an hour early to attend a doctors appointment. Walk in clinics at major mainline stations are also of benefit to working families and communters. With the change of appointment allocation moving from pre-bookable to 'on the day appointments' between 8-10am and 3-6pm you are extreamly likely to get to see your GP on the day of phoning up.
Weekends, many surgeries are still open until 1pm Saturday, again with the backup of SELDOC and NHSD with their referral powers
Leave family doctors free to use their professional judgement rather than dispensing tick-box medicine.
GP's are pillars of the community and in the NHS are recognised as such. They know you better than anyone else in the NHS and as such get to use their own judgement and skills combined over many years. To say different simply isn't true.
These measures will improve NHS efficiency and staff morale and they will bring healthcare closer to the patient. While they will also release funds, we acknowledge that in the longer term further funds will be necessary as our population ages and new treatments become available.
Staff morale in the NHS is the best it has been for decades. More investment, more support and better facilities have added to this. Along with invaluable pay rises and being made to be part of a team working environment, rather than Doctors VS Nurses etc. Efficiency is up and continues to improve year on year. Just look at the amount of people waiting 4 hours or less in A&E as a classic example.
The NHS treats 1million people ever 36 hours!
Return to the ‘matron’ system with a single manager responsible for all care and accommodation.
Matrons are actually present in many hospitals already, with particular emphasis on domestic care, patient care and staff/team moral and team leading, more issues around extra funding and budgets are already being discussed further. In a hospital of say 400-1000 beds one matron can't handle the accommodation, thats why it takes a team of 6-10 bed managers who are skilled staff often picked from the very departments that they serve. The Bed management service is around the clock and frees up matrons and other staff to treat patients, not spend time on the phone chasing.
More freedom for consultants to select treatment based on clinical need rather than performance targets and fear of litigation.
Consultants are given the freedom to select the appropriate treatment based on clinical need, risk analysis and the ideal outcome for the patient, this includes rehabilitation time to name but a few.
Scrap Strategic Health Authorities and return hospital control to local boards.
Do you suggest scrapping PCT's too? The role that SHA's play shapes the current and future care in the community, the very close working relationship with trusts, PCT's and the community is unique, and scrapping them would be a disaster. You could forget important projects like developing mental health services, health promotion and disease prevention and the continued importance of diagnostic imaging for patients. The issue of all the trusts working together in an area with the SHA means that a closer bond is beneficial to patients and the community.
GP surgeries to re-open in the evenings and at weekends when working people can visit.
Why? GP's already often work from 8am-6pm, with out of hours on call doctors like SELDOC and NHS Direct patients who really need to see a Doctor, Emergency Care Practitioner or require an Ambulance will always get one. If you are really that unwell then any employer would understand you attending work an hour later or leaving an hour early to attend a doctors appointment. Walk in clinics at major mainline stations are also of benefit to working families and communters. With the change of appointment allocation moving from pre-bookable to 'on the day appointments' between 8-10am and 3-6pm you are extreamly likely to get to see your GP on the day of phoning up.
Weekends, many surgeries are still open until 1pm Saturday, again with the backup of SELDOC and NHSD with their referral powers
Leave family doctors free to use their professional judgement rather than dispensing tick-box medicine.
GP's are pillars of the community and in the NHS are recognised as such. They know you better than anyone else in the NHS and as such get to use their own judgement and skills combined over many years. To say different simply isn't true.
These measures will improve NHS efficiency and staff morale and they will bring healthcare closer to the patient. While they will also release funds, we acknowledge that in the longer term further funds will be necessary as our population ages and new treatments become available.
Staff morale in the NHS is the best it has been for decades. More investment, more support and better facilities have added to this. Along with invaluable pay rises and being made to be part of a team working environment, rather than Doctors VS Nurses etc. Efficiency is up and continues to improve year on year. Just look at the amount of people waiting 4 hours or less in A&E as a classic example.
The NHS treats 1million people ever 36 hours!
at the risk of sounding like an mp, 'hear hear' (fishcox waves a piece of paper about).
just wondered if anyone saw the guardian newspaper yesterday, it had a steve bell caricature of michael howard, with a glass of blood, and blood dripping from his fangs with the footnote
'Is anyone else drinking what I'm drinking ?'
just wondered if anyone saw the guardian newspaper yesterday, it had a steve bell caricature of michael howard, with a glass of blood, and blood dripping from his fangs with the footnote
'Is anyone else drinking what I'm drinking ?'