Wooster & Stock and the Woodman (former) Pub

[knid]

S.O.W. - no one asked you to post under your actual name.

If you are posting in a professional capacity, it is good practice to give full disclosure about who your employer is and whose interests you are representing. You could do that either by posting as "Wooster and Stock" or adding a note to the effect that they are your employers at the end of any post made with your 'professional' hat on.

[Tim Lund]

knid

Did you just post a question about that other CA application which was allowed? I can see it on my mobile, but not on this browser where I'm typing now. Anyway, here's more on it.

[bensonby]

] Kirkdale Village!

beacon to the Kirkdale Quarter.

statement pieces of furniture.

You realise you sound like a complete and utter prat?!
How can one get excited about another estate agents?

It's not another estate agents, it is an existing one that has moved. The old building will become an antiques boutique which is what a lot of Kirkdale used to have before the developers ripped out its heart with badly designed, undesirable buildings that are either ugly or empty. Ot's great that Wooster & Stock are at least moving in the right direction by forming a group to help regenerate the area which is what it so desperately needs. While I don't agree with branding Kirkdale a village (they would have been better off making it feel like one rather than sticking a logo on it to say it is) they are at least trying.

I hope they find a good compromise with the Woodman and continue to be a positive part of the community along with other businesses in Kirkdale concerned about the area in which they live or work. Resorting to personal insults on a forum is not fair and not right, even if, like me, you also dislike Estate agent jargon or think someone is target because they don't use their real name. This is a place for news, discussion and debate, it's not an infants school playground.

I never caled her a "prat" I pointed out various quotes and said that those quotes made her "sound like a prat." There is a significant different.

Calling Kirkdale a "village" is a nonsense. It is no such thing. And then soon afterwards it is a "quarter" - of what precisely?

and "beacon furniture"? Really?! Come on....

That all sounds very prattish to me...

[Pat Trembath]

How many STF posters have got out of their seats from in front of their PCs recently and have seen that Wooster &Stock are painting their cleaned glazed tiles corporate orange?

Maybe some comments - positive or negative - should be made about this?

I have real support for those trying to raise the profile of Kirkdale Traders but I have strongly expressed my concerns about this with Lewisham Council, as I do not think this is at all appropriate for this area.

[JulietP]

I can sympathise with most of the opinions on this thread.

Yes, it is a shame that the Woodman cannot continue to be a pub. But it seems that none of the succession of publicans could make it pay.

If it can't be a pub, then it would be best used rather than stay empty. An estate agent doesn't really add anything for existing residents. But at least it's not another cheque casher or fried chicken shop.

And I really admire the efforts of the W&S people to revitalise the area. Even if the "kirkdale village" and "kirkdale quarter" labels are a bit cringey. At least they're trying to help this area meet at least some of its potential.

But, I would like the "The Woodman" sign on the frontage to be retained. At least for its historical/nostalgic value. I hope that once some minimal changes like this have been agreed, W&S are allowed to get on with the refurbishment. And an antique shop at the existing site sounds lovely.

However, I agree that when someone is posting on behalf of a company, then this should be recognised either in the username or the post itself. Otherwise it's just the same as the anonymous spam adverts that rightly get deleted.

[leenewham]

How many STF posters have got out of their seats from in front of their PCs recently and have seen that Wooster &Stock are painting their cleaned glazed tiles corporate orange?

Hi Pat,

I went past it on Saturday after going to the Sydenham Community Library Christmas Story, (I sometimes get out of my seat from in front of my computer). The tiles look like they are mostly covered up but the bits I saw were the original brown/amber colour. Some are a bit damaged but the ones visible didn't appear to be painted. Are they really taking off all the paint back to their original colour then painting them a similar colour? I thought the planning application was in part to restore the original tiles?

[Pat Trembath]

In Halifax Street a fair-sized portion of the brown glazed tiles have been painted corporate (W&S) orange.

Work appears to have stopped for the time being - maybe because there is a site meeting with planning and conservation officers about this in the New Year?

[sisterofwookie]

No no tiles have been painted - only the perviously sludge coloured brickwork has been painted over.

[marymck]

No no tiles have been painted - only the perviously sludge coloured brickwork has been painted over.

Then your painter is pretty sloppy. From what I can see, tiles do appear to be painted over in the bright orange Wooster and Stock paint. Also the top part of the building appears to have been painted Wooster and Stock black. (And I suspect The Woodman signage has already been disposed of.)

The results are not exactly subtle. I find them tasteless and out of keeping with the Conservation Area. But then the whole (thankfully rejected) scheme is unsympathetic both to the building's history and the Conservation Area.

All this is beside the point though. Planning permission has not been granted for these works and W&S should cease and desist these alterations.

BTW when W&S bought The Woodman an employee told me they would not be altering the windows. W&S also promised a gallery space there long ago. There is of course neither mention of nor room for such a gallery in the Planning Application, I cannot see where such a space could possibly go.

It would be useful if Wooster & Stock (aka sisterofwookie) would please post details of the antiques business, so that we can be sure this is not pie in the sky.

[marymck]

for what it is worth: I work here, grew up here and live here so I represent & support many things some of which include Kirkdale Village, Wooster & Stock, and the regeneration of Sydenham and the high street - isn’t that obvious.

Actually no - it's not. As you appear to be a single issue poster, joining the forum on 16 Dec (when planning permission had been refused) to promote Wooster & Stock's changes to the Kirkdale area, it's not "obvious" from your posts that you're representing anything other than your employers.

Sorry to be blunt. But a lot of us care deeply for this area and for its heritage. That heritage includes The Woodman. And, by the way, talking to ordinary, working class people who've lived on and around Kirkdale all of their lives, I can tell you they're not at all impressed and feel they're being disenfranchised.

[Wooster & Stock]

Tiles on the Former Woodman Pub

Response from Wooster & Stock:

To considerable effort, we removed what we consider to be the unpleasant blue paint from the tiles on the lower part of the former Woodman Pub.

It looks the tiles on the majority of the front façade (the one facing the roundabout) are fairly old – we guess Victorian.

The tiles however on the side return are of a later addition.

Furthermore, the tiles beneath the windows are also of a later addition. The windows on that façade have been reduced in length fairly recently in the building’s history, and in-filled at the bottom with concrete blocks. The tiles below the windows do not match the other tiles which are on the majority of the front of the building.

There is an area we painted orange as trial on the side return of the building on Halifax Street. It didn’t take long to realise that it looks terrible, and it will be removed.

Interesting to note many people commenting on this forum on the test orange paint on the side of the building – anyone think to drop into the shop at 109 Kirkdale, or call us to enquire before making incorrect assumptions and posting negative feedback about it?

[marymck]

Tiles on the Former Woodman Pub

anyone think to drop into the shop at 109 Kirkdale, or call us to enquire before making incorrect assumptions and posting negative feedback about it?

I called into Wooster and Stock to congratulate you when you started removing the paint from the tiles. At that time still under the illusion the pub would continue to be used to the benefit if the community. I pointed out you would not be able to make alterations to the windows. I was assured you would not alter the windows. Yet in due course sure enough a planning application to do just that.

I am glad you are using this forum and would like to take this opportunity to ask that you remove the giant sold sign from the building. It is many months since it appeared and such signs may only be displayed for 14 days following sale.

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[digime2007]

Tiles on the Former Woodman Pub

Response from Wooster & Stock:

To considerable effort, we removed what we consider to be the unpleasant blue paint from the tiles on the lower part of the former Woodman Pub.

It looks the tiles on the majority of the front façade (the one facing the roundabout) are fairly old – we guess Victorian.

The tiles however on the side return are of a later addition.

Furthermore, the tiles beneath the windows are also of a later addition. The windows on that façade have been reduced in length fairly recently in the building’s history, and in-filled at the bottom with concrete blocks. The tiles below the windows do not match the other tiles which are on the majority of the front of the building.

There is an area we painted orange as trial on the side return of the building on Halifax Street. It didn’t take long to realise that it looks terrible, and it will be removed.

Interesting to note many people commenting on this forum on the test orange paint on the side of the building – anyone think to drop into the shop at 109 Kirkdale, or call us to enquire before making incorrect assumptions and posting negative feedback about it?

Sounds fair enough to me and good point about people jumping to conclusions and moaning on internet forums.

I understand that you won't want to get dragged into lengthy discussions/arguments but I hope you post back with more news and details as and when you can.

[Tim Lund]

Some photos from this afternoon ...

area ... painted orange as trial on the side return of the building on Halifax Street. It didn’t take long to realise that it looks terrible, and it will be removed.

More of side return



Detail of damaged tiles


The future antiques shop?

[Jaden]

] Kirkdale Village!

beacon to the Kirkdale Quarter.

statement pieces of furniture.

You realise you sound like a complete and utter prat?!

How can one get excited about another estate agents?

May I just say 'bensonby' that the following conditions apply when you register on the forum. Please be reminded by the following:

'We wish it to be open and diverse as possible. We ask you to agree, by clicking the link below, not to post any abusive, slanderous, threatening or any material that may be illegal and respect posting guidelines. You also agree that the administrator or moderator may edit or remove postings that break these guidelines.'

I would class your 'pratt' comment as abusive and unecessary and quite simply rude. This website is for all to express their opinions and quite rightly everybody has that right.

I completely appreciate your input as we all do however, as someone has quite rightly pointed out it is an existing business whose interests are also in the community and want the best for Kirkdale too. Maybe you should back off and appreciate that although an Estate Agent does not appeal to you personally, it is a business that works well & constantly strives to help us and the locals.

[admin]

Welcome to the forum Jaden.

I wrote the above and it was not meant to be interpreted in that way. A vigorous discussion forum, indeed any discussion anywhere, is going to include challenges and attacks on other people's ideas and facts.

Hence if you believe someone has posted rubbish (it has been known) then to say it is rubbish is perfectly OK though some justification is always welcome. That is not rubbishing a person but the idea. That is the case here. Bensonby made it clear to what he was attaching the prattish epithet and what he was not.

Anyone wishing to follow up moderation questions please PM me or take it to Town Asylum.

HTH
Admin

[Jaden]

Welcome to the forum Jaden.

I wrote the above and it was not meant to be interpreted in that way. A vigorous discussion forum, indeed any discussion anywhere, is going to include challenges and attacks on other people's ideas and facts.

Hence if you believe someone has posted rubbish (it has been known) then to say it is rubbish is perfectly OK though some justification is always welcome. That is not rubbishing a person but the idea. That is the case here. Bensonby made it clear to what he was attaching the prattish epithet and what he was not.

Anyone wishing to follow up moderation questions please PM me or take it to Town Asylum.

HTH
Admin

I completely agree. Not everyone will appreciate idea's given I just believe it was made to feel personal.

I just hope those comments were not hurtful to the person on the receiving end as a comment like that would offend me. If it was meant purley about the discussion only than that is different and I supose.

Anyway Happy Christmas everyone, lets make 2012 a good one for the people of Sydenham x

[Annie]

Merry Christmas to you too Jaden,and welcome.
Do you work for an Estate Agent? or is that an offensive question to ask?

[marymck]

Annie: (inserts tongue in cheek) what a terrible accusation!

[Jaden]

I thought we were all mature proffesional adults but clearly not. Maybe this site is more of a joke for people to amuse eachother. Good luck to you all ..