Masks after 19th

[syd]

Hi all, just wondering if anyone plans to keep wearing a mask after “freedom day”

[Parker1970]

Hi all, just wondering if anyone plans to keep wearing a mask after “freedom day”

In high populated places like public transport, busy shops etc I probably will. I'd rather not risk catching something and passing it on to my aged mother when I take her food shopping each week. Whilst we are both double jabbed, I would not forgive myself if I still caught it and passed it on to someone.

Also on the upside, I've not had a cough or cold since mask wearing so there is an added benefit there.

[stuart]

Hi all, just wondering if anyone plans to keep wearing a mask after “freedom day”

Probably less so.

Because I guess I will be avoiding public transport and other public enclosed spaces if the 'freedom for me, bu**er the consequences to everybody else' brigade go rampant. I used the railway yesterday (to Hampton Court) and was shocked by the admittedly small percentage who did not wear masks. Mostly young men and the most unlikely to have a condition that makes wearing a mask overly painful. Govenment statements can only encourage this behaviour.

I can understand people who argue that economic considerations should trump public health safety for other relaxations. But wearing a mask has no economic downside and is a mark of respect for other people's lives while infection is at historically high levels. Surely worth a little personal inconvenience?

Stuart

[Robin Orton]

I shall certainly do so on public transport and in shops if they are crowded.

[syd]

This is good to know and gives me some hope.

I watched a webinar by some of the signatories to the letter published in the Lancet and the general view is removing restrictions now is absolutely nuts and the bodies will pile high. Even Witty who is seen as the sensible one is pushing a false narrative that it is inevitable that more people will die.

The advice from the webinar is that vulnerable people should shield again so Im locking down until September cause Ill be one of the bodies Johnson doesn't give a sh*t about if I get it. Im extremely grateful I can i feel for the people who will be risking their lives unnecessarily over the next few months.

[chrisj1948]

I shall continue to wear a mask on public transport and whilst shopping; at least until the general infection rate is much lower. It is a minor inconvenience.

[Ghlpc]

No, I won't continue to wear one after the 19th, and hopefully never again!

[Robin Orton]

Splendid. It's that sort of rugged individualism that has made this nation what it is.

[syd]

Splendid. It's that sort of rugged individualism that has made this nation what it is.

. Southgate may disagree. He's our leader now

No, I won't continue to wear one after the 19th, and hopefully never again!

Well youre free to choose let me know how you get on.

I've read that the vaccine rollout has stalled as the govt bought too much AZ which cant be used on the under 30’s and is out of pfizer until spring 2022 so its going for herd immunity/ distraction. They cant admit this failure as the vaccine was the only thing keeping them popular. This is a purely political move and Johnson and javid will sacrifice a 100k more lives to stay popular. And it will be the poor and vulnerable who will suffer so you can be “free”.

I hope its worth it

[alywin]

I've read that the vaccine rollout has stalled as the govt bought too much AZ which cant be used on the under 30’s and is out of pfizer until spring 2022 so its going for herd immunity/ distraction. They cant admit this failure as the vaccine was the only thing keeping them popular.

Really? Was it from a reliable source? It would make sense, and explain so much. Could explain the "bouncing" of Matt Hancock, too.

In answer to your question: I'm going to continue with the mask-wearing as and when I think it necessary. Which will probably mean most of the time on public transport, and anywhere else where enclosed spaces are an issue.

[perryman]

'Freedom day' is happening as business and the Tory extremes are demanding it.
Shop restaurants and restaurants owners don't want anyone thinking their premises are unsafe in any way as it puts off customers. Get those masks off and spend some money!
And yet many of these places are indeed unsafe.

Many shops have acted disgracefully over the past year like Aldi's Bell Grn, boasting that maskless customers will not be challenged as it is not their policy. Going there when deaths were peaking, and a good majority hadn't a mask. Presumably people felt safer...

Proper scientists (rather than stooges) think removing the last of the restrictions when the cases are rising exponentially is absolutely reckless. We brewed up the kent variant last year with this approach.
I'll continue to wear a mask but can fully understand if a majority do not bother if their own government tell them it is fine.

[syd]

I've read that the vaccine rollout has stalled as the govt bought too much AZ which cant be used on the under 30’s and is out of pfizer until spring 2022 so its going for herd immunity/ distraction. They cant admit this failure as the vaccine was the only thing keeping them popular.

Really? Was it from a reliable source? It would make sense, and explain so much. Could explain the "bouncing" of Matt Hancock, too.

In answer to your question: I'm going to continue with the mask-wearing as and when I think it necessary. Which will probably mean most of the time on public transport, and anywhere else where enclosed spaces are an issue.

I watched a webinar given by some of the signatories to the letter in the lancet. Its quite disturbing the government are not taking a punt they know what the outcome will be but they have been given orders by their backers. Sacrifice lives for the bottom line.

in February last year I told a friend when the apple store closes in wuhan you know its bad, I predict when the flights stop we will be in serious trouble.

[syd]

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Proper scientists (rather than stooges) think removing the last of the restrictions when the cases are rising exponentially is absolutely reckless. We brewed up the kent variant last year with this approach.
I'll continue to wear a mask but can fully understand if a majority do not bother if their own government tell them it is fine.

Yep this is from the WHO

The idea that everyone is protected and it’s “kumbaya”, and everything goes back to normal - is a very dangerous assumption anywhere in the world. We’d ask governments to be really careful at this moment, not to lose the gains that we’ve made”-
@DrMikeRyan
#COVID19

I make no secret of my dislike of the spaffer but the opposition is extremely disappointing. Sir K is making jokes about the johnson variant instead of using his legal brain to stop this insanity. He has the demeanour of a man who’s been told what he cant say and it seems his backers want the bottom line prioritised too

[stuart]

To be fair I don't think any opposition leader can do much to touch Boris. Nothing will change his decision making until the decent intelligent wing of the Conservative Party can see off the CRG grip on his fantasies or if his red wall destroying capabilities come into question.

A man who almost single-handedly turned a united country successfully suppressing Covid a year ago into a politically divided and confused nation with runaway rises in infections, hospital admissions and deaths unlike, I think, any other country in Europe bar Russia.

The mask excuses, in particular, are weird. Masks do work in confined areas. It's an inconvenience true. But balancing that against the pain or worse of both Covid victims and the cancer patients they displace ought to be a no-brainer. Especially as masks, unlike most other preventative measures, has no immediate negative impact on economic activity - the excuse for removing the other restrictions.

Indeed it's the lack of mask wearing that may make many of the vulnerable less attracted in participating.

Stuart

[syd]

To be fair I don't think any opposition leader can do much to touch Boris. Nothing will change his decision making until the decent intelligent wing of the Conservative Party can see off the CRG grip on his fantasies or if his red wall destroying capabilities come into question.

A man who almost single-handedly turned a united country successfully suppressing Covid a year ago into a politically divided and confused nation with runaway rises in infections, hospital admissions and deaths unlike, I think, any other country in Europe bar Russia.

The mask excuses, in particular, are weird. Masks do work in confined areas. It's an inconvenience true. But balancing that against the pain or worse of both Covid victims and the cancer patients they displace ought to be a no-brainer. Especially as masks, unlike most other preventative measures, has no immediate negative impact on economic activity - the excuse for removing the other restrictions.

Indeed it's the lack of mask wearing that may make many of the vulnerable less attracted in participating.

Stuart

Decent people wouldn’t want to be associated with Johnson Patel Hancock Cummings Raab Gove its Murdoch decides who runs the country.

What the govt did to disabled people and people in care they're doing to the rest of the population, 59% of the covid deaths were disabled people who make up 18% of the population.

Its survival of the fittest and richest

[JGD]

Decent people wouldn’t want to be associated with Johnson Patel Hancock Cummings Raab Gove its Murdoch decides who runs the country.

Murdoch's US arm in its Fox guise allied itself to Trump and the anti-vaxxer movement. The impact of Fox's voluminous and detrimental anti-vax propaganda is now causing an absolutely devastating spread of Covid Delta in states that did not max out on their vaccination efforts.

Words matter.

Murdoch for himself was escorted by his private security team to a UK facility to get his vaccination jabs.

Actions betray the man's selfishness.

And I agree with @syd in as much that HM Tory Party is much more in bed with Murdoch's words and ambitions than the needs, desires and aspirations of the UK electorate.

[Pally]

There is no logic atall in going from all the regulations in place to removing all the regulations in place and then issuing guidance. And tge contradictions in the ruddy rules such as no quarantine for double vaccinated to return from holiday but full quarantine for double vaccinated if pinged is just mad ...and will be rebelled against, as is happening, by people switching off NHS covid app!! I don't honestly blame them!

[stuart]

Yes, it's going to be doubly confusing next week. Before Covid I enjoyed going up to the National Gallery starting at Sydenham Station. Now if an Overground train comes in first I know I must wear a mask. But if it's a Southern than I need to consult their 'conditions of carriage'. Oh, and if I change at LBG for CharingX will SouthEastern's be different? And how crowded does the escalator need to be before I, and everybody else, don a mask?

What of the National Gallery itself? Well it's normally crowded so I am urged to wear one. But then those pesky foreign tourists didn't turn up to collect their free delta variant. And yes the icon galleries are indeed deserted. But what of the French Impressionist's room (if only to see if they have retrieved and displaying 'The Avenue, Sydenham'?) Yep, crowded. And those between?

Yes it's a mess. Should I spend my time deciding which is which and getting annoyed with folks who have different or no thresholds? The easiest answer is to stay home. And I'm a lazy guy who doesn't possess the natural brilliance of Sebastian Fox to just know all this stuff.

Simple rules for simple people please. Like - if you are in an enclosed public space - wear one unless you are eating, drinking or playing the mouth organ. Elsewhere - your decision.

Stuart

[JGD]

Simple rules for simple people please. Like - if you are in an enclosed public space - wear one unless you are eating, drinking or playing the mouth organ. Elsewhere - your decision.

Simplest IS best Stuart.

From a perspective of not wanting to spread the virus as much as protecting ourselves from breathing it in - wearing one in all enclosed public spaces is the option for us.

No problem.

[JGD]

These situations have to be based upon realistic assessment of the data.
It's essential to avoid the ideology spouted by the #JohnsonVariant and driven by HM Tory party which has been taken captive by the right-wing ERG and prevent abandonment of the only measures that have proven to be effective to date. [Question: who do ERG think will benefit from this demagoguery? Do ERG care a jot about those deaths that have accumulated already and that numbers will undoubtedly rise? Is it self-interest or for the benefit of someone else? ]

Friday morning (16 July 10:30) NewsShopper published this story.

Chris Whitty predicts more lockdown as Covid cases surge

England could be put back into lockdown within five weeks as Covid cases surge, Chris Whitty has warned.

The chief medical officer said hospitalisations are doubling about every three weeks and could hit "quite scary numbers".

His warning comes days before July 19's 'Freedom Day' and the final step in Boris Johnson's roadmap out of lockdown.

But Prof Whitty said the country is "not out of the woods yet" as cases rocketed to the highest level in six months.

https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/1944 ... /?ref=ebbn