Hi
I know this is not a big deal but it's really annoying.
I keep finding large items of rubbish like matresses and furniture dumped near where I live I have called the council about 7 times this year. Is there anything else I can do?
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Regretably no , unless you catch them in the act.
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Cheers
I'll just keep calling the council
I'll just keep calling the council
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Eagle wrote:Regretably no , unless you catch them in the act.
And even if you do, nobody is particularly interested. I recently caught one scumbag red handed dumping a whole van full of junk on our property in the middle of the night, he assured me there was nothing I could do to stop him. He began threatening me when I politely asked him to load all his broken old office furniture back into his van and leave the premises, so I called the police and blocked him in to stop him escaping. Despite making it clear I was being threatened with violence it took the police 40 minutes to arrive and when they did, they were only interested in the fact he'd given them a false name and was not even insured to be driving the van he was in. No action was taken against him fly-tipping. I have reported numerous vehicles dumping tons of rubbish around our property over recent years, neither Lewisham Council environmental officers or the police would take any action whatsoever or even provide me with details of who owned the vehicles I had identified, hiding behind the "data protection act". One individual kept driving in every day at approximately the same time and dumping sacks and sacks full of builders rubble. I had confronted him several times but he wouldn't stop. Only when I demanded to know from the environmental officers what portion of my Council Tax went to paying their particularly ineffective department so that I could deduct it in future, did they reluctantly agree to trace who it was and write to him.
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The Police action , or inaction , was a disgrace.
Write to Jim Dowd.
Questions need to be answered
Write to Jim Dowd.
Questions need to be answered
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Unfortunately Eagle. as Bensonby would no doubt confirm, when fly-tipping is carried out on private property then it's only a civil matter and not actually a criminal offence. So we'd have to spend hundreds of pounds bringing a private prosecution against such individuals and to achieve what? We can't even begin to instigate a private prosecution without knowing who they are in the first place and the authorities will never give us that information.
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It's depressing I work hard pay my bills just want a quiet life and these selfish people spoil it for everyone else.
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Why was it a disgrace? No crime had been comitted and therefore no action was taken. What could, or should, they have done?Eagle wrote:The Police action , or inaction , was a disgrace.
Write to Jim Dowd.
Questions need to be answered
Indeed, one offence does seem to have been disclosed, and dealt with, namely driving without insurance.
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I think this is the problem, no one wants to know. The police could be looking at a tonnes of rubbish and say it's not my problem and the criminals know it.bensonby wrote:Why was it a disgrace? No crime had been comitted and therefore no action was taken. What could, or should, they have done?Eagle wrote:The Police action , or inaction , was a disgrace.
Write to Jim Dowd.
Questions need to be answered
Indeed, one offence does seem to have been disclosed, and dealt with, namely driving without insurance.
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It's not a case of "not wanting to know" it's a case of parliament bot granting them the authority to do anything.
There are lots of things police officers may not like or wish they could do something about but are not authorised to do anything particular about.
A police officer could ask someone nicely not to dump rubbish on a property- but that is no more than anyone else could do. Just like noisy parties, trespassers,* or lots of other things.
*In which case police have fewer powers than the landowner.
There are lots of things police officers may not like or wish they could do something about but are not authorised to do anything particular about.
A police officer could ask someone nicely not to dump rubbish on a property- but that is no more than anyone else could do. Just like noisy parties, trespassers,* or lots of other things.
*In which case police have fewer powers than the landowner.
[ Post made via Mobile Device ]syd wrote:I think this is the problem, no one wants to know. The police could be looking at a tonnes of rubbish and say it's not my problem and the criminals know it.bensonby wrote:Why was it a disgrace? No crime had been comitted and therefore no action was taken. What could, or should, they have done?Eagle wrote:The Police action , or inaction , was a disgrace.
Write to Jim Dowd.
Questions need to be answered
Indeed, one offence does seem to have been disclosed, and dealt with, namely driving without insurance.
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Surely he should have been arrested for driving without insurance.
Cannot understand why this very serious offence is treated like a joke.
Cannot understand why this very serious offence is treated like a joke.
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He actually was arrested for that particular offence, but as Bensonby has confirmed, you can fly-tip wherever you want. An interesting situation will develop one day when I block someone in with my car who I catch fly-tipping and refuse to move it to let them off the premises. Presumably the police won't be able to give them my details since they are on private property and it would be against the data protection act to provide such information, what say you on that scenario Bensonby?Eagle wrote:Surely he should have been arrested for driving without insurance.
Cannot understand why this very serious offence is treated like a joke.
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I agree he was charged with that offence but my point was that the punishment for that offence is a joke.
You often here of a fine less than the cost to insure. Unbelievable
You often here of a fine less than the cost to insure. Unbelievable
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If he'd just done as I initially requested, he needn't have got caught for it. But he threatened me, tried to drive his van at me and leave all the stuff he'd dumped, so I blocked his escape and waited for 40 minutes whilst I was continually threatened on my property. I think the police actually take the situation with uninsured drivers quite seriously, they often set up an ANPR trap in the one way system by Sainsbury's, and they also had 1000 officers involved in this operation a couple of weeks ago...........
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/ ... drivers.do
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/ ... drivers.do
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Isn't it a criminal offence to use threatening behaviour?
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maestro wrote:He actually was arrested for that particular offence, but as Bensonby has confirmed, you can fly-tip wherever you want. An interesting situation will develop one day when I block someone in with my car who I catch fly-tipping and refuse to move it to let them off the premises. Presumably the police won't be able to give them my details since they are on private property and it would be against the data protection act to provide such information, what say you on that scenario Bensonby?
It would probably be a civil matter - but it depends on a number of factors and, indeed, if you were on a public highway when blocking them in with your car.
Very possibly. But it depends on a number of factors....marymck wrote:Isn't it a criminal offence to use threatening behaviour?