Plans for new gates Sydenham Station
I am unclear what type of ticket you are referring to that isn't "normal" Bensonby.
Presumably it isn't one of the dodgy tickets you have managed to order up taking advantage of some minor loophole in the Southern Railway by-laws 1952 paragraph 5.2. It would be a total disgrace if people holding such tickets were refused entry because of some "unnecessary gating system". (Don't get me wrong! These tickets are of course totally legal and one is perfectly entitled to search around for the cheapest tickets that are available! )
I can only assume you refer to those outsize tickets often sent by a mainline rail company taking you from your local station to a mainline terminal for your ongoing journey. In this case I would advise passengers to press the button and show their ticket to the staff who will let them onto the up platform. Or, when Oystercards are available, use those instead to get to a mainline station if you want to ensure smooth entry onto the up platform.
Presumably it isn't one of the dodgy tickets you have managed to order up taking advantage of some minor loophole in the Southern Railway by-laws 1952 paragraph 5.2. It would be a total disgrace if people holding such tickets were refused entry because of some "unnecessary gating system". (Don't get me wrong! These tickets are of course totally legal and one is perfectly entitled to search around for the cheapest tickets that are available! )
I can only assume you refer to those outsize tickets often sent by a mainline rail company taking you from your local station to a mainline terminal for your ongoing journey. In this case I would advise passengers to press the button and show their ticket to the staff who will let them onto the up platform. Or, when Oystercards are available, use those instead to get to a mainline station if you want to ensure smooth entry onto the up platform.
what loophole is that?! sounds interesting....I might have to look into.nasaroc wrote:Isome minor loophole in the Southern Railway by-laws 1952 paragraph 5.2.
I, for example, have to be manually let through the gates when going into London Bridge underground every day. If it wasn't manned then I wouldn't be able to get into the underground.
Some people don't have "regular" tickets (including those with the oversize tickets) - they are a minority, but they do exist.
You would if there was a buzzer/intercom.bensonby wrote:
I, for example, have to be manually let through the gates when going into London Bridge underground every day. If it wasn't manned then I wouldn't be able to get into the underground.
You still haven't explained what sort of non-regular tickets you're talking about... apart from the oversize ones I'd be curious to know what others exist, to get an idea of just how "minority" we're talking.bensonby wrote: Some people don't have "regular" tickets (including those with the oversize tickets) - they are a minority, but they do exist.
Surely the answer for anyone whose ticket does not currently work on areas of public transport or who is concerned about "losing their ticket" in the new gate on platform 2 is simply to purchase an Oystercard in the future when they become available.
Can I remind you again about the vital need to go to the Lewisham planning site and register your support for the new gates. Currently only two people have registered their support.
Surely we have no come this far only for the proposal to fall at the last hurdle?
Follow the link below and look for the lewisham planning email link at the bottom of the page:
http://acolnet.lewisham.gov.uk/LEWIS-XS ... mkey=54546
Can I remind you again about the vital need to go to the Lewisham planning site and register your support for the new gates. Currently only two people have registered their support.
Surely we have no come this far only for the proposal to fall at the last hurdle?
Follow the link below and look for the lewisham planning email link at the bottom of the page:
http://acolnet.lewisham.gov.uk/LEWIS-XS ... mkey=54546
non regular tickets:
oversize tickets, warrant cards, military rail warrants, print-at-home tickets, schoolkids travelling for free and so on...as well as those that just don't work for some reason or another.
I still fail to see why a gate is necessery. Why can't it just be left open? This is still just going to create some more congestion. Oyster Access can be provided by stand-alone readers like those at Clapham Junction.
Then again, I doubt I'm going to convince many people and I don't think I'm going to be convinced.
oversize tickets, warrant cards, military rail warrants, print-at-home tickets, schoolkids travelling for free and so on...as well as those that just don't work for some reason or another.
I still fail to see why a gate is necessery. Why can't it just be left open? This is still just going to create some more congestion. Oyster Access can be provided by stand-alone readers like those at Clapham Junction.
Then again, I doubt I'm going to convince many people and I don't think I'm going to be convinced.
funny how their revenue didn't need "protecting" in this manner for the past 150 years....but it is suddenly essential when TFL offer to pay for some barrierslambchops wrote:they want to protect their revenue, so this is a very reasonable solution.
support it, or we'll send around the goons!
I think the position of Southern Railway is centred on a pile male bovine excreta.
i know, and agree.
at a meeting i asked how much revenue they think they are losing. "15%" was the answer.
when asked how they quantified this, he was a little flustered.
when asked how many people in peak hour on the up platform to london bridge he reckons are fare dodging, he kind of mumbled a bit and then said something like "our statistics show that we lose 15% of revenue through fair evasion".
i told him that i would be amazed if 15% of the morning peak hour commuters to london bridge were fare dodging, and that it is unbelievable that southern are prepared to piss off a community over an arbitrary 15%.
it is all bullshit, i agree. however, it's a good and fair solution and if we don't support it then we will have **** it up and the gate will close.
at a meeting i asked how much revenue they think they are losing. "15%" was the answer.
when asked how they quantified this, he was a little flustered.
when asked how many people in peak hour on the up platform to london bridge he reckons are fare dodging, he kind of mumbled a bit and then said something like "our statistics show that we lose 15% of revenue through fair evasion".
i told him that i would be amazed if 15% of the morning peak hour commuters to london bridge were fare dodging, and that it is unbelievable that southern are prepared to piss off a community over an arbitrary 15%.
it is all bullshit, i agree. however, it's a good and fair solution and if we don't support it then we will have **** it up and the gate will close.
I agree. I couldn't care less about Southern losing revenue, but I do care about having access to platform 1 from the street. The proposed solution may not tick every single box for every single person, but it will work.. greatest good for the greatest number and all that!lambchops wrote:
it is all bullshit, i agree. however, it's a good and fair solution and if we don't support it then we will have **** it up and the gate will close.
Support duly registered!nasaroc wrote: Can I remind you again about the vital need to go to the Lewisham planning site and register your support for the new gates. Currently only two people have registered their support.
Surely we have no come this far only for the proposal to fall at the last hurdle?
Follow the link below and look for the lewisham planning email link at the bottom of the page:
http://acolnet.lewisham.gov.uk/LEWIS-XS ... mkey=54546
I have no problem with gates (as long as they provide access/egress for those with valid tickets!) and would expect these gates to make the platform and surrounding area more secure than present (esp after 8pm). I think tfl are committed to provide secure, gated access and also step-free access wherever possible and so I feel this is a good solution (for the current needs of the station).
I do expect that the number of gates may have to be extended once tfl takes over and the ELL arrives - and perhaps they could add a coffee/tea window somewhere on platform 1 too!
two more things that can be said against barriers....they are not programmed properly to accept valid tickets....mine was rejected this morning, and I've seen others having their rejected by the gates causing dfelays.
I also saw a little girl get wolloped by the barrier as she went through with her mother...
I also saw a little girl get wolloped by the barrier as she went through with her mother...
Bensonby you really may as well go and hit your head against a wall, it would be as productive as trying to campaign against barriers. Like them or not they are here to stay. Your energy would be much better spent on trying to get train operators to ensure their readers always recognise valid tickets and that any safety glitches are ironed out, than on trying to stop barriers being installed full stop.bensonby wrote:two more things that can be said against barriers....they are not programmed properly to accept valid tickets....mine was rejected this morning, and I've seen others having their rejected by the gates causing dfelays.
I also saw a little girl get wolloped by the barrier as she went through with her mother...
and why would I want to do that?!
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