New betting shop (YES ANOTHER ONE !!!)

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goonerchamp
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New betting shop (YES ANOTHER ONE !!!)

Post by goonerchamp »

I live on Sydenham road and being a close neighbour of the old Apollo video store I've just received a consultation letter saying they are planning to convert the currently empty shop into a bookies

with THREE satellite dishes/ air con units and additional rear elevation!

Do we need another one on Sydenham Road? - I mean within a one minute walk there are three surely thats enough?

the letter I received has the following link (which took me a while to type in !)
http://acolnet.lewisham.gov.uk/lewis-xs ... netcgi.exe

did a search with the reference number provided (DC/09/71237) and took me here - thankfully I did not need to type this one in !!! :shock:
http://tinyurl.com/cynafu

the closing date for comments appears to be May 8 2009

what do we think? - do we need another betting shop on this main road of ours??

are lots of bookies better than empty shops ??
Barty
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Post by Barty »

A bookies?

You're joking?

I think we should campaign for a KFC.....there is a terrible shortage of takeaways that needs addressing urgently

:twisted:
bensonby
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Post by bensonby »

supply and demand. why complain?

If there wasn't a demand for it then it won't survive. If there is then it will....

why complain? Don't you believe in democracy?
nasaroc
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Post by nasaroc »

What, like Class A drugs you mean Bensonby? Huge demand - why not let them be supplied?

It's only supply and demand, after all. Why complain?
Barty
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Post by Barty »

There you have it. The new vision of Sydenham....every other shop is either a bookies or a chicken shop, and there's a shifty looking hoodie dealing drugs on every corner :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by leenewham »

I'm totally against another betting shop.

Yet another betting shop will damage perception of the high street. We need more variety, not more of the same. Whenever I walk past the betting shops that are already here they are mostly empty.

As for supply and demand, which pub seems to be the busiest on the high street? The Dolphin? Which restaurant seems to be the busiest? Ghurkas?

And yet recently we have had a new hairdressers, a 'look like Lady Gaga' wig shop although I presume this is temporary due to their banner sign and we are now getting a new nail bar. Whoopie.

How about something different in the high street?

How about a strategy Julie Sutch to achieve this?
MiniFox
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Post by MiniFox »

How on earth can we need another bookies?
bensonby
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Post by bensonby »

nasaroc wrote:What, like Class A drugs you mean Bensonby? Huge demand - why not let them be supplied?

It's only supply and demand, after all. Why complain?
Class A drugs are illegal.

Betting shops aren't.
Thomas
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Post by Thomas »

Going back to the OP, could someone enlighten me about the grounds one can one object to this application?
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Post by Eagle »

I agree betting shops opposite to Robin Hood.
Take from the poor to give to the rich.
simon
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Post by simon »

Prior to the new Gambling Act, you used to be able to object to new licenses on the grounds of lack of demand. That it made it very difficult for new licenses to be awarded as competitors always used to object, usually successfully. Now licenses are granted by local authorities and there are less grounds for objection. That said, there has been a successful campaign in Cambridge against the proliferation of bookies in that city; you really need to lobby the council.
Paddy Power, who are applying, have a stratgey of opening up near to the most profitable shops owned by the "big three" operators. They are looking at shops that generate over £350,000 a year in gross profits. Its not realy about the traditional ofering of horserace betting but rather the machines known as fixed odds betting terminals; each one can generate a gross proft of up to £1,000 a week a each shop can have up to four of them; they therefore take care of all staff costs and rent and still leave a profit for the operator.
Its worth considering that a new betting shop will provide jobs and will be well fitted out with decent frontage.
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Post by MiniFox »

I dont know why I find the prospect of another betting shop outlet upsetting, but I do. I'm not a nimby, and it isnt out of some belief that PaddyPower could be a Waitrose, instead. I just find it entirely distasteful that so small a high street needs 4 bookies. Its sad and depressing
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Post by parker »

MiniFox wrote:I dont know why I find the prospect of another betting shop outlet upsetting, but I do. I'm not a nimby, and it isnt out of some belief that PaddyPower could be a Waitrose, instead. I just find it entirely distasteful that so small a high street needs 4 bookies. Its sad and depressing
I totally agree with you minifox, i think its very sad to think that a new 'bookies' is as good as it gets at this moment in time, im hoping this attitude and view of our high street changes in time and that these kind of shops will become a distant memory. It is these kinds of shops that make Sydenham look less desirable and it is this that we need to change.

So NO!!!! to the bookies!
Gaz
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Post by Gaz »

Blimey, guess I have a different mindset to the majority here then!

I would much rather have a nice, new, clean, well-lit bookies than an empty shop-space - especially now that bookie are not hidden behind opaque windows anymore.

If the demand isn't there it will fold, in the meantime that's extra rent and jobs for our local economy.
simon
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Post by simon »

Paddy Power may well point out that because the Coomes shop closed in the new year they are merely replacing that and the high street is not getting any more betting shops than it had last year.
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Post by sydenhamboy »

A friend gave me a lift home from work the other day and hadn't been to Sydenham before, and as we drove down Mayow Road and around Silverdale .. Dacres Road etc. she remarked, 'ooh it's posh round here - what a nice part of town'. And I smiled (because I live in Sydenham), but, seeing it through her eyes I realised: the roads were leafy, the cars looked good, and there was no rubbish, or crap anywhere, and the people wandering about looked young(ish) and professional types. Why am I saying this? Because that stupid high street refuses to reflect this. 15 mins from Lon Bridge ... extended 'overground' tubeline on the way and we seem to have to pretend we all need tons of pound shops, more betting shops and other less than inspiring examples of low grade facilities. Is there not a 'high street' committee that can start to dicate the shops we have access to? It's like the high street is in denial about the 'true' demographic, and it is serving an audience that doesn't really exist. That's why the crap shops aren't lasting.
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Post by noangel »

I'm one of the "young" professionals that recently to moved to the area 'coz of the ease of travelling into work (well, maybe not so young anymore & my boss would argue the professional part as well :lol: ). Sydenham is only 20 mins away from my work.

I generally avoid the "High Street" because of the look and feel of the area, plus I don't feel safe there at night. Though recently I have visited a couple of the shops, Kirkdale bookshop, the chemist next door, Blue Mountain and one of the many grocers further up Sydenham Road, and I was pleasantly surprised. I have wandered up that way and have noticed that there are a few decent shops. Now I do make an effort to visit the local shops rather than travel into London Town.

But I agree the last thing we need is a bookies, esp in the age of a recession. I realise that it will bring jobs into the area as would any other shop. If we want to attract a decent class of retailer (whatever that may be) then there is a lot of work to be done to make that the area more attractive. Would the council be willing to cough up the money to do so? I grew up in a "not nice area" but the council spent a lot of money doing up the local high street which in turn brought decent retailers.

**After reading another thread it appears that the council is spending money to do up the High Street. Hence all the road works - D'OH!!. Just need to get rid of the riff raff now... I shall remember to leave my hoodie at home next time I'm out and about :lol: ***
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Post by biscuit »

Firstly thanks to the first poster for alerting us to this awful proposal. I agree with most of the posters concerns and would hate for there to be yet another betting shop opening up on the high street!!! How ironic that when most family-type businesses are struggling in this recession, you get this type of business which encourages addiction to open shop?? Clearly gambling corporations still manage to crunch any credit out of the misery and addiction/disease of these unfortunate people. They are diverting decent quality businesses away from our high street. They also mean that many gambling addicts by the nature of the disease (which no surprise has increased 1000 fold throughout the UK) tend to feed their gambling addiction above all else which diverts funds from feeding families. Does Sydenham therefore need another shop which promotes this behaviour?? I must say I have NEVER seen a happy gambler come out of these shops on the high street!! (except for Lottery winners on the telly!!). Well done LB Lewisham for allowing yet another business of this kind to open up!!! Julie Sutch - what can you do here to prevent such awful businesses like this from opening?? There are already 2/3?? on the high street.

Other posters have suggested that the empty shops be used to display art work and crafts. Wouldn't that give a more positive impression of Sydenham rather than being labelled Sydenham- Lewisham's gambling capital??? :x

Admin - please let us know if there is a petition against this betting shop from opening.
Gaz
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Post by Gaz »

I must admit I don't understand why there is so much resentment to having 3 or 4 bookies along the High Street?

It's not as if these establishments are pushing other businesses out of the area. However, I would admit that if there was a choice between two businesses vying for the same shop-space, a bookies would probably be lower down my preferred list than some other shop.

However, I hate the suggestion that some shops shouldn't be allowed in because they encourage bad habits or addictions. To this end, I would have far more of a problem with shops selling tobacco products, off-licenses selling booze, sweet shops, cake shops etc. If someone wants to gamble, far better they do so in a regulated book-keepers environment than by an online bookies etc...
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Post by parker »

I agree with Biscuit, why dont Lewisham ever do the right thing, they seem to grant the opening of Chicken shops, Bookies and all these unethical businesses that make the high street look cheap and miserable and if it continues this way Sydenham's future will be jeopardised immensely whether the ELL is believed to make a difference or not, These types of shops including crappy pound shops are the reason why people dont want to live here and why we are all on this forum moaning about it.
parker wrote:Why don't Lewisham Council care? Why has the borough seemed to have missed out on the 'boom years'? A town like Sydenham should not look as scruffy and as empty as it does despite the fact it may have more shops open now than it did 5 years ago, Sydenham has so much potential and Lewisham should have done more before now ...even Downham is in a desperate state, some of the worst ive seen in London, like where the Tiger's Head, The Green Man Beefeater and Courts the furniture store used to be, why arent businesses wanting to open up or develop housing in Lewisham to the extent and as quickly as they do in boroughs like Wandsworth?
Why cant Lewisham Council control this better, why dont they want to improve our borough, cant they see that Bookies are a root of evil and chicken shops attract the hoodies. It will get to the point that there will be too many of these places opening up and decent companies like M&S, Caffe Nero, Pizza Express will not want to be surrounded by them whether there are vacancies among the high street or not.

Noangel, you have a good point in mentioning that the residential areas of Sydenham do look somewhat posh, they really do. Take a look at some of the house and indeed the cars around the Thorpes area too and Vener Road. I believe that the more these kinds of shops open such as bookies the more people will think its undesirable.

Now, i understand the opening of new shops are what we refer to as Economic Progress but in this case it looks like for every Bookies that opens, the less likely a Coffee Shop, or trendy wine bar will want to open, there seems to be no logic between what Lewisham Council are doing and what the typical house-owner, tax-paying Sydenham resident requires. Im not trying to say we should turn all the shops into a high street full off Coffee Shops, but it would be nice to buck up the quality of services in the high street and turn the high street into a shopping destination where businesses complement eachother and work in tandem with eachother if you like.

The typical house owner wants to live somewhere that has a wide range of shops on the doorstep that can serve the typical person with a house that has a reasonably high disposable income, isnt that the clientelle we want to attract to Sydenham, cant Lewisham Council try and at least attempt to model themselves on other boroughs like Bromley or Wandsworth where the majority of residents, infrastructure and types of services provided are what we would like to reflect on Sydenham.

If shops like Bookies continue to open in the high street, it will carry on the way it has been going for many years leaving beautiful buildings like the HSBC vacant and falling apart when a nice restaurant would trade well there if the high street looked better without these ghastly shops attracting the less savoury characters that reside in our town.

This Bookies cannot open, it would just be another reason to stop people moving here and one less unit for a better class company, ie Blue chip company that would use it once the ELL and the regeneration of the high street takes affect. The ELL and regeneration of the high street can only do so much to change the area.
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