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stuart wrote:Thank you for sharing the fact that you can't tell the difference between a shop and a distribution centre. Or was there some other point you were making :?

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Sorry. Put it down to me going cold turkey on Tesco Value. Didn't check the DNA :oops:

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stuart wrote:Sorry. Put it down to me going cold turkey on Tesco Value. Didn't check the DNA :oops:

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Peace and good will to all Sydenham shoppers whether anti Tesco , or not.
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I am actually using Sydenham high st more now that Tesco has arrived. I no longer have to drive down to the sava centre.
Yesterday I bought some stuff in the Tesco then bread in the PFC fruit in the greengrocers, goods from the health shop, a book from the charity shop, and some tea towels from the curtain shop. All of these I would have previously bought from the one shop , so for me it is a welcome addition.
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Stand by Suzisoo - Someone will be along shortly to ask you to explain your links to your evil corporate overlords.
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It's important to get the facts about supermarkets out there.

But you shouldn't have a go at people for shopping there. There are 18 Tesco within 3 miles of my front door and people shops for convenience. It's rather strange that some people hate Tesco but love Lidl, who are far far far far far worse ethically and environmentally than Tesco.

Get the information, make your choice. Some people even think that global warming/climate change (same thing) is a conspiracy by scientists and big businesses so they keep getting funding or increase profits (some of these scientists even think the world wasn't created by some bloke in the sky or that the world isn't flat, I mean, it's crazy isn't it?).

Personally I dislike Tesco. I worked for them for years and they run a culture of fear at head office so I choose not to shop there.

Funnily enough there is nothing wrong with Tesco Value. The whole point of good/better/best (value/own brand/finest) us to get people to 'trade up'. Finest as a brand is worth over a billion pounds a year and is the UK's largest brand! So it works.
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Dare I be slightly contentious here ( not my style normally ).

Posters mentioned ethical. Did they mean the dreaded organic, as if they did organic is completely unethical. If the whole worlds agriculture went organic 2 or 3 billion would starve.
By insisting their products are organic they are using more land to produce less crop , so forcing others to stave.

God be with you.
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Ethical (to me) is about the way suppliers and employees are treated. I don't think 'organic' comes into it. Fairtrade, yes. Organic, not necessarily.
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Sorry my thought.
Just anti selfish organic people.
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Excuse me Rob.
By insisting on organic , the farmer gets considerably less crops per acre.

The world now , with population over 7 billion , can only just feed itself . Soon experts reckon supply problems will arise.
The biggest increases in volume over last decade or so have been in The Americas . Soya especially with use of GM and fertilisers , but they say the yields are starting to level out.

Only 60 years ago we had 1/3rd of the world population and we struggled to feed them with organic methods.

I thin k you are living in a dream world and selfish world of your making by insisting on organic.

Personally I have more thoughts for those with less who would starve.
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You really write some twaddle Eagle.

The issue with food is distribution, not amounts and not people eating organic.

From the UN: "there is enough food in the world to feed everyone".
http://www.wfp.org/hunger/faqs

If I eat organic people wont starve. I'm anti-Gm too, but the Telegraph is very pro GM and anti global warming. Yet somehow the Telegraph thinks it knows more than 97% of the worlds scientists and the United Nations (like someone else I can think of!).

Here are some FACTS for you.

Drought is now the single most common cause of food shortages in the world. In 2011, recurrent drought caused crop failures and heavy livestock losses in parts of Ethiopia, Somalia and Kenya.

In many countries, climate change is exacerbating already adverse natural conditions.For example, poor farmers in Ethiopia or Guatemala traditionally deal with rain failure by selling off livestock to cover their losses.

Since 1992, the proportion of short and long-term food crises that can be attributed to human causes has more than doubled, rising from 15 percent to more than 35 percent. Soldiers will often burn crops and starve people into submission.

The poverty-stricken do not have enough money to buy or produce enough food for themselves and their families.

Increasingly, the world's fertile farmland is under threat from erosion, salination and desertification.

4% of crops grown in the EU are organic. In the USA it's less than 1% (which is the main reason why organic is more expensive). In Africa this rises to nearly all of it. But it's not the pesticides that are the problem, pesticides on their own won't feed the world. There are lots of issues with food production in Africa from mechanisation (there aren't many factors), poverty, war, corruption, drought, education, exploitation by the west, lack of investment, transportation and distribution.

Look this up Eagle:
http://www.wfp.org/hunger/causes
Where in here does it say 'because of organic food?". Nowhere.

A family in the country my wife comes rom (El Salvador) we so poor they were forced to eat corn seed that the government give out for families to grow. It was covered in a pesticide. They washed it off and then they cooked it. The two children died, the parents were in hospital. It's not the first time it's happened.

What is this pesticide? How come we are covering our food with toxic substances and what are the long term issues?
Try reading this (I checked, it doesn't appear on the Telelgraph website):
http://www.ipsnews.net/2012/01/el-salva ... -villages/

You wont find this advertised next to the baths with doors on them in the Mail or Telegraph, but this is what farmers have to wear in order to spray chemicals on FOOD!
http://www.adhbaseline.co.uk/index.php? ... ex&cPath=1

Read a different paper. The Telegraph is ****. It's an agenda paper, like the Mail. It's not the news. It's THEIR news.

How we can have a world where people die of obesity and others starve is one of the defining characteristics of the world we live in, and how stupid people are.
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Post by hairybuddha »

Well put Lee.

If I may add to that. Too much meat in Western and emerging economy diets is a far more real threat to the planet than organic food :D

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And try this from sceintific American:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... ate-change

"organic agriculture delivers just 5 percent less yield in rain-watered legume crops, such as alfalfa or beans, and in perennial crops, such as fruit trees. But when it comes to major cereal crops, such as corn or wheat, and vegetables, such as broccoli, conventional methods delivered more than 25 percent more yield."

Again, look that up in the Telegraph.

(thanks HB, also agree with you regarding meat, we limit our meat intake and eat lots more vegetables and feel better for it, plus we are eating far more varied food, it tastes better, it's better for the planet and losing weight).
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Words fail one

You have the correct quotes with the wrong conclusions

On just one for instance , drought.
True we are now reaching the limits of the freshwater we can use for agriculture. In fact many areas of the world will probably have conflicts over water in the not too distant future.

I do agree with one thing. We eat far too much meat in this country. Maybe twice a week should be enough for all.
Maybe a tax on burgers and chicken shops etc.
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Rod
You did not ignore it.

I cannot honestly except that the farming methods used in the times of , say good olde Thomas Hardy , would feed the world today. Many scientific advances all of which involve meddling in some way with the soil or the crop.

You say it is a troll or something. i thought they were Norwegian , which I freely admit to not being.

Anyway God be with you .
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Eh?

You said:
"The world now , with population over 7 billion , can only just feed itself ."

This is incorrect.

You also said:
"Did they mean the dreaded organic, as if they did organic is completely unethical. If the whole worlds agriculture went organic 2 or 3 billion would starve."

This is also incorrect.

"The biggest increases in volume over last decade or so have been in The Americas . Soya especially with use of GM and fertilisers , but they say the yields are starting to level out."

You also say:

"By insisting on organic , the farmer gets considerably less crops per acre."

According to the American Scientist, this is also incorrect.

Regarding your comments about soya production in South America, try reading this:
http://www.proforest.net/objects/news-o ... challenges

Most used food crop in the Americas is corn followed by beans. Most soya is exported to the USA. Soya crops displace rainforests and small farm holdings who grow crops for their own consumption. Not all good. And while you are at it, look up Monsanto, possibly the most evil corporation on the planet.

"GM soy was approved for cultivation in Argentina in 1996. When Argentina approved the cultivation of GMO in 1996 14 million acres were used for soy production and by 2008 that area grew to 42 million acres.[213] The growth was driven by Argentine investors' interest in buying or leasing land on which to grow soy for the export market.[213] The consolidation has led to a decrease in production of many staples such as milk, rice, maize, potatoes and lentils, and as of 2004 about 150,000 small farmers had left the countryside; by 2009 in the Chaco region, 50% were displaced.[213][214][215]
The Guardian newspaper interviewed a Monsanto representative and reported that the representative "said that any problems with GM soya were to do with use of the crop as a monoculture, not because it was GM. 'If you grow any crop to the exclusion of any other you are bound to get problems."

Words fail ME.
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Lee
Fully agree - I think a lot of your points apply to globalisation of the food supply , including many of our large food retailers ....

GM is a disaster - a typical "solution looking for a problem ". I would add to your point the damage caused to agricultural land caused by intensive farming , the increasing monopoly it gives producers , the appealing social impact not to mention "Domesday Seed". If ever there was a smoking gun for GM and intensive farming it is that .
On the principle of think globally act locally , it leaves me in no doubt that I have to shop like a grown up .
I have a friend who is a farmer in the uk and sense I have is that farmers are brainwashed by agribusiness and supermarket chains into using vast quantities of chemicals instead of rotation and mechanical measures .
Ultimately it is the supermarkets that shape the market ( until consumers wake up or grow up) therefore we should do business with the least-worst and that is not Tesco on my estimation .
A very good evening
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I wouldn't overstate the anti-GM case. It can and does have it's uses: http://www.fancybeans.com/blog/2012/09/ ... lden-rice/
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Nigel wrote:I would add to your point the damage caused to agricultural land caused by intensive farming , the increasing monopoly it gives producers
Nigel wrote:On the principle of think globally act locally , it leaves me in no doubt that I have to shop like a grown up .
I have a friend who is a farmer in the uk and sense I have is that farmers are brainwashed by agribusiness and supermarket chains into using vast quantities of chemicals instead of rotation and mechanical measures
If I may refer again to my farming cousins
my farming cousins in Essex were recently telling me about the increased yields - and better conditioned soil - they were achieving thanks to using 'bio-solids', which thanks to the sort of business regulation we need more of*, they now get much more cheaply than they used to have to pay chemical companies for expensive, fossil fuel consuming fertilisers.

* Water companies have been banned from just dumping it in the rivers, so initially they were just giving it away. Now they charge, but it still makes commercial sense for farmers.
I never get the impression that they have been brainwashed by anyone, although that may be because I've listened to what they have to tell me, rather than try to tell them about farming.

They are no fans of Monsanto, but that's because of their exploitation of their market power, which derives from their IP rights in GM seeds.
Nigel wrote:.
Ultimately it is the supermarkets that shape the market ( until consumers wake up or grow up) therefore we should do business with the least-worst and that is not Tesco on my estimation .
If it is supermarkets shaping the market, doesn't that contradict what you write at the beginning of this post - that a monopoly has been given to producers?
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