Based on the OED definition: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/defin ... ish/racism
I'd say you're at least guilty of implicit racism.
And what is this silly idea that white supremacists like Brevik and our boy Jack here don't have a voice? The nonsense that they bang on about is all we see in the media every day.
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If nothing else, we've given him a voice here. Is Nigel aware that this thread was locked immediately after the OP and forum members lobbied for it to be re-opened?_HB wrote: And what is this silly idea that white supremacists like Brevik and our boy Jack here don't have a voice? The nonsense that they bang on about is all we see in the media every day.
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I agree with _HB. What Nigel is saying seems to me to imply that what makes people nice to live with is not whether or not they are kind, pleasant, interesting, intelligent, law-abiding, cultured etc but whether or not they have the same skin colour as me and whether or not their ancestors came from the same place as mine. That certainly suggests racism, in the technical sense, to me.Robin Orton wrote:Really? Sounds pretty racist to me.Nigel wrote:If I might offer a reductio ad absurdum , it would not be racist to say" I would not like to be the only white Anglo Saxon in Britain "
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Oh won't someone think of the poor, opressed, middle class white man!
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I saw this today and immediately thought of this thread...
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/soci ... 5021995521
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/soci ... 5021995521
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Some really puzzling comments and equally unfounded accusations .
HB - you posted a link to a definition of racism - if you can show how this applies to anything I've said then do tell us .
Robin - to say that someone would not wish to be the only native remaining in the country of birth is not racist - imagine it was tribesman in Sikkim , now the only native in a territory full of for example Americans - surely he is not racist to wish for people that spoke the language in the same accent , had the same superstitions , sense if humour and taste in food . Your response shows a very ugly truth - that is any discussion on immigration ends in someone calling someone a racist .
Rachel - I have no intention of creating a platform for the Breiviks but if well meaning people ( eg Robin) and game playing liberals ( eg HB) all attack all attempts to discuss immigration then you create extremism like Breivik .
The only people who are unafraid to talk about immigration are the truly off the wall , the serious nasties and the odd middle of the road politician ( usually when Farage has humiliated them into having to speak about the nasty subject ) , oh and me .
I am not going to defend myself against futile and groundless allegations - I am very confident in my frailties and innate prejudice - about the same as anyone's - and I am all the better for knowing and not hiding my concerns . I am very sure I am not a racist , so are people that know me , but I am as sickened by the shouting down , silencing and name calling from some on this forum as I am by those who " stand with the prophet " rather than speaking up for free speech .
Do please let me know if anything I have said or implied exceeds free speech but not things people have been imagined or knee-jerked into existence .
A very good evening
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HB - you posted a link to a definition of racism - if you can show how this applies to anything I've said then do tell us .
Robin - to say that someone would not wish to be the only native remaining in the country of birth is not racist - imagine it was tribesman in Sikkim , now the only native in a territory full of for example Americans - surely he is not racist to wish for people that spoke the language in the same accent , had the same superstitions , sense if humour and taste in food . Your response shows a very ugly truth - that is any discussion on immigration ends in someone calling someone a racist .
Rachel - I have no intention of creating a platform for the Breiviks but if well meaning people ( eg Robin) and game playing liberals ( eg HB) all attack all attempts to discuss immigration then you create extremism like Breivik .
The only people who are unafraid to talk about immigration are the truly off the wall , the serious nasties and the odd middle of the road politician ( usually when Farage has humiliated them into having to speak about the nasty subject ) , oh and me .
I am not going to defend myself against futile and groundless allegations - I am very confident in my frailties and innate prejudice - about the same as anyone's - and I am all the better for knowing and not hiding my concerns . I am very sure I am not a racist , so are people that know me , but I am as sickened by the shouting down , silencing and name calling from some on this forum as I am by those who " stand with the prophet " rather than speaking up for free speech .
Do please let me know if anything I have said or implied exceeds free speech but not things people have been imagined or knee-jerked into existence .
A very good evening
Nigel
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You said 'white Anglo-Saxon.' Nothing about language, culture, food, superstitions etc. That 's what made it sound racist to me.
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Robin
the clue was in Beowulf, and don't think that white Anglo Saxons have a culture ?
That aside I still maintain that to not want to be the only representative of your ethnic group in your country would not be racist and by extension , people that don't like to feel in language or ethnicity minority too, are not racist (they could be but they could equally be diabetic or have perfect pitch ) .
This in a strange way is the ' racism " of well meaning liberal people - they assume that judgement and criticisms are implied when they are not . I think you are guided by decent principles and I am not attacking your views - I am only saying there is a hugely divergent view out there, which I share to a degree and that it should not be dismissed as ignorant racism - any more than HB's retorts should be dismissed as those of a sniggering schoolboy after his first Anti Oppressive Practice training , oh hang , bad example, anyway you know what I mean .
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the clue was in Beowulf, and don't think that white Anglo Saxons have a culture ?
That aside I still maintain that to not want to be the only representative of your ethnic group in your country would not be racist and by extension , people that don't like to feel in language or ethnicity minority too, are not racist (they could be but they could equally be diabetic or have perfect pitch ) .
This in a strange way is the ' racism " of well meaning liberal people - they assume that judgement and criticisms are implied when they are not . I think you are guided by decent principles and I am not attacking your views - I am only saying there is a hugely divergent view out there, which I share to a degree and that it should not be dismissed as ignorant racism - any more than HB's retorts should be dismissed as those of a sniggering schoolboy after his first Anti Oppressive Practice training , oh hang , bad example, anyway you know what I mean .
A very good evening
Nigel