art4 wrote:Sorry I just found it rather odd that you went to such lengths to track down my work? Then post it on the forum. By doing so you made this personal. I have since provided you with some background and possibly you owe me an apology?
Such length is hardly the case, I just remembered some links that you previously provided us with, as well as links to East Dulwich Forum. If posting these links is consider making it personal then fine, I made it personal but I think it was legitimate comment, especially given that you had removed all the nastiest stuff you posted last year, much of which was personal attacks and conspiracy theories.
And you have continued to make it personal with attacks like
this one.
art4 wrote:I haven’t deliberately taken the art out of ‘graffiti ist’. Aren’t you being just a little bit too sensitive? Happily revise to graffiti artist. The point though I raised was not personal or specific to any artist or particular piece of work, it was instead to express my opinion that graffiti may not be helpful on the high street at a time when it is being redeveloped/ regenerated.
I don't think I was being over sensitive, it is such a peculiar phrase to use, with the quote where they were, that it could only have one meaning. Not 'graffitist', not 'graffiti-ist', and certainly not the more regular 'graffiti artist'. Given your subsequent attack on graffiti as not a form of art I continue to believe this was exactly what you meant.
art4 wrote:I am not expressing my view on graffiti/street art per se- that would be a different subject. In the same way it would be if I was to discuss any other medium of art.
In fact I’m trying to keep an open mind about the graffiti, have obviously read through the posts on this forum, understand that it has been commissioned and agreed with owners etc. However just because the correct channels have been followed doesn’t necessarily mean that it is the right thing to be doing at this point in time. It may be a result of poor judgement, alternatively I have read that some forum members are in favour of it.
I think your view on graffiti, and the art specifically around Sydenham in particular, is quite clear from the first posting and subsequent postings:
'The images in my opinion are very tacky (the equivalent of an Athena poster), provide no aesthetic value to the high street.'
'Graffiti, I think we have enough of this so has no added value. '
'I was approached last year to promote graffiti art in our gallery. Decided against because may not suit Dulwich Village? Perhaps if I was in Shoreditch might be different, but passed the opportunity 10 years or so ago there too.
Going off track here to a degree- but I think what does influence my perspective is the need to work out what can sell. So I take a business perspective. If I fail to do that then I’m compromising the artist.'
art4 wrote:The fact that Chris Best and locals recently removed lots of graffiti does make the introduction of it a contradiction. Who is to say what they removed wasn’t art? Neither am I saying it is but there needs to be some consistency.
I think you (and a lot of other people) need to distinguish between tagging and graffiti art. Just because they both use a spray can does not make them the same. I'm sure what Chris Best removed was actually tagging, not art, and I don't think there need be too much confusion. There was a time when Banksy graffiti art would be painted over by councils, now they are more likely to frame it and turn it into a tourist attraction. That doesn't mean that tagging needs to be treated with the same respect.
art4 wrote:I didn’t literally mean that you and Simon are on the same team or have anything to do with SEE3- that I wouldn’t know.
Of course you didn't, but always worth throwing the accusation out there, just in case. Your whole posting, with your (I’ll call you ‘D’) and 'To Stalker (aka Simon)', was way below even your usual standard.
art4 wrote:For how long will it be thought that my reason for posting comments is rooted in ‘sour grapes’ for not being successful at tender? I am genuinely interested in the success of the regeneration of SE26.
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The fact that I have spent time to offer my thoughts, opinions is in stark contrast to some of the defensive negativity on this thread.
I think that is entirely up to you. Even in your initial post on this thread you had only one positive thing to say, and that was quickly tempered by the negatives in the same sentence. This was the thread you started, negativity all the way. I would like nothing more than to see an end to this thread so that we can focus on all the positive things happening in Sydenham.
