Deadline approaching in battle to save The Windmill

[Eagle]

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Your description puts a new light on the proceedings. One did not know such evil things went on in Kirkdale village.

Once again our stupid justice system does not come out of it well when people on day release do that.

I remember the lovely old lady played the Piano in The Fox and Hounds in the 70's . Redmond the great landlord in The Woodman also in the 70's and of course the premier Sydenham pub in the 70's Bill and Dot in The Bricklayers Arms.

What is happening to our world.

[marymck]

Well I've never seen any evidence of that sort of behaviour and I've lived in the neighbourhood for 11 years. I'm told there was once an axe murder in the car park of the Golden Lion. I wonder why that's still open.

[marymck]

Well I've never seen any evidence of that sort of behaviour and I've lived in the neighbourhood for 11 years. I'm told there was once an axe murder in the car park of the Golden Lion. I wonder why that's still open.

Well you obviously needed to get out more.

Drug taking and dealing was beyond rife in circles that used those pubs.
One of the local shoplifter scumbags used to come into the Woodman and take "orders" (did the same in the Fox, probably The Windmill also and then go nextdoor into Costcutters and come back 5mins later with the stolen goods.

First morning the Tesco Express opend by 11am he had been caught theiving and the police came carted him off, next day same again....I used to see him standing outside and then he'd sneak in when the staff and "security" werent looking.

Certain Woodman staff (locals) were theiving, giving their mates not just the odd drink but rounds at a time, It was so obvious it was embarassing
I got the evidence and told Lou, but she was past caring by then so did nothing.

Ok, that can happen in any pub, but its more proof of the calibre of some of your "local villagers", inbred rednecks more like.

I used to see drug deals daily, they were always in groups of three theyd stand right in the road at Willow way (tesco end) trying to look inconspicuous (epic fail) then all of a sudden a person would appear out of the blue walk up to them really quickly and theyd huddle for a second at most , job done then theyd dissapear

Why some on here insist on calling it "Kirkdale Village" is beyond me...you need to get your reality goggles on

So it's the people who live in this area that you've got an issue with. Understood. Nothing to do with the Windmill then. Since you didn't go to the police, you're guilty of withholding evidence btw.

[parker]

I'd be turning in my grave over this conversation... If I was dead.

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[Annie.]

What has Tescos got to do with the Windmill? Surely you should want to shut down Tescos? Not the pub.

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[marymck]

Re: Online petition to save the Windmill

Postby parker » 3 Dec 2013 09:56
Mary, maybe you could take over the running of The Windmill if you love it this much. Why is it then that you didn't make such a fuss over The Woodman? Or did you? OR is it just Sainsbury's you detest...?

I want to get one thing straight, I don't particularly want another supermarket there. I'd like a really decent pub or wine bar with a good clientele and great food but it seems a Sainsbury's is the most likely sustainable option. The Tesco next door is rubbish and is about as expensive as an M&S Simply Food with inferior quality food, hopefully they will shut within 2 years of Sainsbury's opening. Tesco could make a great cafe/bar that's suited to the size of the area.

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Re: Online petition to save the Windmill

Postby marymck » 3 Dec 2013 10:58
I'd love to Parker. But I'm not a publican and I fear I'd be no better at running a pub than Tim's friend. Far better to leave it to the highly experienced publican who IS interested in taking on the lease of the Windmill. Unfortunately, if Sainsbury's have their way that is not an option.

I am going to try to redirect this to the original discussion.

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Attempting to redirect this to the arguments thread, in the hope of getting the link to the petition back to just being an informative link. It will probably look a mess! Sorry.

[marymck]

[Annie.]

Rod, I know somebody who works for Sainsburys , the way the staff are treated is terrible, they are all treated as idiots ( though there are some) the managers dish out disciplinarys like sweets, they are talked down to and all for a pittance, the customers in the main are rude, would anyone in those circumstances want to smile? Or engage in chat? Also, they have to scan x amount in x amount of time, but still be pleasant, I dislike Sainsburys with a passion.

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[Tim Lund]

In Sainsbury's checkout staff are threatened with disciplinary action if they don't smile and engage in small talk. I'm sure we'd all relish a conversation under these circumstances.

Well, I have to say this is a welcome diverson on this thread

And in that spirit, I'll contribute a memory from a holiday, well before the crash of 2008, when I met someone working at the Halifax, and hating the pressure she was under to sell dubious products to trusting clients. Not long before that I'd sat in while a nice young man from Abbey National tried to sell my mother-in-law a financial product which would, in effect, have relieved her of 5% of her life savings. My late mother-in-law was quite shocked at how unpleasant her nice son-in-law could turn. Maybe I should have been polite, but actually I wanted to shake him up, and feel bad about what he was doing as a career. There was a lot of it about then - and I fear even now - and those with some awareness were not happy about it.

Going on from such recollections, it's possible that a useful bit of information to put in the public domain, with the idea of getting financial institutions and any other companies to behave well, would be independent surveys of staff satisfaction. If people knew that ordinary bank staff were disgusted by what they had to do, that would have said something with more emotional impact than the results of smart-arse bank critic's calculation of the net present cost of a particular fancy financial product they were pushing.

What you need is to give people who are just as smart as the wicked bankers the opportunity to show the world just how smart they are by exposing the others' evil ways

OTOH, I'd imagine that a management could get things right, getting their staff to feel committed to the business (and this would be more likely if they knew customers would find out if they weren't). I realise I may be being fooled here, but my impression is that Pret-a-manger have worked on this - although what they do will work best for younger staff. What I mean is that staff are clearly encouraged to remember their regular customers - at least I assume this is why every now and then I get offered a free coffee. It has to be that management realises it makes their staff feel good to be able to recognise customers this way, and also that it makes the customer feel good.

Some of us are natural non-conformists, and find it hard to believe that people willing buy in to being managed in any kind of way, but I think most people would if they also believed they were giving customers a good service - unlike the Halifax employee I met that holiday.