I often have to visit Lewisham Hospital and always amazed whatever the weather some foolhardy souls outside in hospital nightwear indulging in their favourite drug.
I was an inpatient for 7 weeks last year and although I did not want to leave the ward I was told they do not allow anyone to leave as they have duty of care. When going for scans etc had to be wheeled by porter.
How do these people manage to get out and should not the hospital clamp down as hardly assisting their prompt recovery.
I hear NICE has suggested all Trusts ban smoking full stop.
Smoking outside hospital.
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Surprise surprise Eagle, sorry, I cannot agree with you on this subject, I smoked for 22 years , although I gave up 20 yrs ago I do still realise how a cigarette smoker can use smoking to reduce stress, I know it's not nice,but, if they had a shelter or somewhere to go I don't see why they should not be allowed to smoke.
I know I Know, everyone will come back with the health/
Consequences , but sometimes stress is a health problem and it can help this. Opps! I know I shouldn't have posted this.
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I know I Know, everyone will come back with the health/
Consequences , but sometimes stress is a health problem and it can help this. Opps! I know I shouldn't have posted this.
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Annie
I agree, I am still a smoker , but it seems heartless and petty . Times like that are when you really want/need a ciggy .
I do get a bit peeved, as a very social smoker , i,e, I never smoke in anyone's house, avoid standing near people when I do smoke, that people still feel that little ball of resentment and need to lecture .
Anyone that smokes will know that all it will do is to force smokers further out into the rain and snow - they will definitely not decline to smoke just because someone thinks they should be banning them from the premises.
Lets be clear, as as smoker , and one who doesn't buy from dodgy types selling smuggled goods, I am a major stakeholder in health spending !
A very good evening
Nigel
I agree, I am still a smoker , but it seems heartless and petty . Times like that are when you really want/need a ciggy .
I do get a bit peeved, as a very social smoker , i,e, I never smoke in anyone's house, avoid standing near people when I do smoke, that people still feel that little ball of resentment and need to lecture .
Anyone that smokes will know that all it will do is to force smokers further out into the rain and snow - they will definitely not decline to smoke just because someone thinks they should be banning them from the premises.
Lets be clear, as as smoker , and one who doesn't buy from dodgy types selling smuggled goods, I am a major stakeholder in health spending !
A very good evening
Nigel
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If people want to smoke, it's thier choice. But as a non smoker I don't want to smell it.
So putting them out of harms way and banning people from smoking in the entrance to a hospital or any public building makes sense to me. Although I'd also ban smoking outside in pub gardens. I hate the smell. For years I was forced to ingest other peoples smoke without any choice. I applaud the labour government for controlling it as I'm sure eagle also does.
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So putting them out of harms way and banning people from smoking in the entrance to a hospital or any public building makes sense to me. Although I'd also ban smoking outside in pub gardens. I hate the smell. For years I was forced to ingest other peoples smoke without any choice. I applaud the labour government for controlling it as I'm sure eagle also does.
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I agree Nigel, as long as it doesn't interfere with others, outside hospital doors not good, but away from non smokers why not? By the way Lee I don't sit in pub gardens anymore because of smokers, they need a room in a pub just for them with a good air con.
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I agree there are two sides to the discussion. As usual I am the model of tolerance.
I also have stopped sitting outside pubs or coffee shops because of the smoke.
Just seems if one is in hospital one should do all possible to regain your health and stuck outside in nightwear in cold or wet conditions cannot be good for one.
Annie
Guess we had to find something we did not totally agree with each other on.
I also have stopped sitting outside pubs or coffee shops because of the smoke.
Just seems if one is in hospital one should do all possible to regain your health and stuck outside in nightwear in cold or wet conditions cannot be good for one.
Annie
Guess we had to find something we did not totally agree with each other on.
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[quote="Eagle"]I agree there are two sides to the discussion. As usual I am the model of tolerance.
I also have stopped sitting outside pubs or coffee shops because of the smoke.
Just seems if one is in hospital one should do all possible to regain your health and stuck outside in nightwear in cold or wet conditions cannot be good for one.
Annie
Guess we had to find something we did not totally agree with each other on.[/quote)
I don't think a divorce is imminent Eagle ;0))
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I also have stopped sitting outside pubs or coffee shops because of the smoke.
Just seems if one is in hospital one should do all possible to regain your health and stuck outside in nightwear in cold or wet conditions cannot be good for one.
Annie
Guess we had to find something we did not totally agree with each other on.[/quote)
I don't think a divorce is imminent Eagle ;0))
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Annie
Thanks and a good evening to you and every body else.
Thanks and a good evening to you and every body else.
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Lee
Point taken but I feel the same way about aftershave , the smell of burgers , car fumes, air conditioning units and body odour - none if which are controlled to any degree . I accept that at the usual levels and frequencies of exposure they are as harmless as one part per million of tobacco smoke in the atmosphere of a pub garden.
We are after all herded outside to smoke - it is a bit rich that people complain about having to fight their way through us . I always forget that tolerance is only for certain sections of the community .
Good evening
Nigel
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Point taken but I feel the same way about aftershave , the smell of burgers , car fumes, air conditioning units and body odour - none if which are controlled to any degree . I accept that at the usual levels and frequencies of exposure they are as harmless as one part per million of tobacco smoke in the atmosphere of a pub garden.
We are after all herded outside to smoke - it is a bit rich that people complain about having to fight their way through us . I always forget that tolerance is only for certain sections of the community .
Good evening
Nigel
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I don't mind patients smoking outside in a sort of bus shelter type thing. But far enough away from the hospital entrance. Southampton general for example has a long corridor flanked by open sided shops just inside its entrance and it's like running the gauntlet. It's smoky all the way along because the smoke from outside just blows straight in.
I also think medical staff should not wear their uniforms when smoking. Not fair on patients. But then I also think nurses shouldn't wear wrist watches. Recently I even saw one chap dressing a wound with one of those Thai strings tied round his wrist. Those things stay on for weeks. Ugh! Very sanitary.
Back to the main point though, which is that I think it would be cruel to deny sick people a smoke. It just needs to be handled with respect for non smokers too, i.e. where it won't trouble others.
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I also think medical staff should not wear their uniforms when smoking. Not fair on patients. But then I also think nurses shouldn't wear wrist watches. Recently I even saw one chap dressing a wound with one of those Thai strings tied round his wrist. Those things stay on for weeks. Ugh! Very sanitary.
Back to the main point though, which is that I think it would be cruel to deny sick people a smoke. It just needs to be handled with respect for non smokers too, i.e. where it won't trouble others.
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As an ex smoker (but ocassional vaper) I know full well how much a smoker NEEDS that fag when stressed!
Control the enviroment used by all means, such as a shelter as Mary suggests, but totally banning is a few
steps too far imo for smokers who do still have some rights (even if limited ones)..
Ref to beer gardens: Let's not forget that alcohol can (and does) cause misery for lives of others too but we
wouldn't ban drinking would we? Being tolerant is important in many social situations.
Control the enviroment used by all means, such as a shelter as Mary suggests, but totally banning is a few
steps too far imo for smokers who do still have some rights (even if limited ones)..
Ref to beer gardens: Let's not forget that alcohol can (and does) cause misery for lives of others too but we
wouldn't ban drinking would we? Being tolerant is important in many social situations.
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I think that smokers hanging about outside hospitals is tasteless when it is the cause of so many illnesses. It would be like putting a bar outside an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting.
Hospitals should not be about curing the symptoms of illness but providing a total well-being environment. They could use the visit of smokers to encourage them to use e-cigarettes, patches, lozenges, etc
Most smokers want to give up and anything that normalises the behaviour is doing them a disservice.
I didn't think I would see the day that Annie disagreed with Eagle, admittedly it took 17 months since I posed the question:
http://sydenham.org.uk/forum/viewtopic. ... =20#p64380
I'm glad everybody sees the small amount of humour in the situation, eventually.
Hospitals should not be about curing the symptoms of illness but providing a total well-being environment. They could use the visit of smokers to encourage them to use e-cigarettes, patches, lozenges, etc
Most smokers want to give up and anything that normalises the behaviour is doing them a disservice.
I didn't think I would see the day that Annie disagreed with Eagle, admittedly it took 17 months since I posed the question:
http://sydenham.org.uk/forum/viewtopic. ... =20#p64380
I'm glad everybody sees the small amount of humour in the situation, eventually.
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Gosh, 17 months? Really? Have you been looking out for me to trip up all that time! I feel I'm being stalked! ;0))michael wrote:I think that smokers hanging about outside hospitals is tasteless when it is the cause of so many illnesses. It would be like putting a bar outside an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting.
Hospitals should not be about curing the symptoms of illness but providing a total well-being environment. They could use the visit of smokers to encourage them to use e-cigarettes, patches, lozenges, etc
Most smokers want to give up and anything that normalises the behaviour is doing them a disservice.
I didn't think I would see the day that Annie disagreed with Eagle, admittedly it took 17 months since I posed the question:
http://sydenham.org.uk/forum/viewtopic. ... =20#p64380
I'm glad everybody sees the small amount of humour in the situation, eventually.
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Yes Michael, of course it's tasteless to anyone against smoking which I would certainly not encourage..michael wrote:I think that smokers hanging about outside hospitals is tasteless when it is the cause of so many illnesses.
However why not take the same view with the drunks causing havoc in (and outside) A&E? I often find
the behaviour of drunks tasteless but have to tolerate to some degree..
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I agree Bradford although hopefully any drunks near A and E would be arrested.
Something that does not happen to smokers.
Something that does not happen to smokers.
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Often not arrested unless things get 'really' out of hand, witnessed this so many times!Eagle wrote:I agree Bradford although hopefully any drunks near A and E would be arrested.
Arrest would be a bit overkill especially if they are still in their Jimmy-jams and dressing gowns!Eagle wrote:Something that does not happen to smokers.
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If the police started arresting patients on a 'too regular' basis things would go very wrong for them!
Police not trained or qualified to deal with hospital patients, medication, etc (we're not just talking bed pans here)!
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Arrests would rarely be necessary. People no longer smoke on station platforms, on aircraft, or inside hospitals, the few people who break the rules are usually dealt with by staff. But we are an obedient lot in Britain (except when driving a car or riding a bike), so enforcement is not really an issue.
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Michael
I did not mean arrest in patients standing outside the A and E , but drunks attending A and E.
You do raise an interesting point however. It has always been baffling to little old me why smoking whilst driving seems to be permitted , but drivers have been prosecuted for eating kit kats.
It is a weird world out there
I did not mean arrest in patients standing outside the A and E , but drunks attending A and E.
You do raise an interesting point however. It has always been baffling to little old me why smoking whilst driving seems to be permitted , but drivers have been prosecuted for eating kit kats.
It is a weird world out there
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Perhaps the driver was showing 2 fingers to police Eagle.
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years ago (in the first world war) we were told that smoking was good for you.
almost everyone smoked.
The government used to make a an absolute shed load of money from tax on tobacco.
and the NHS was spending loads on treating people with smoking related illnesses.
then people started getting healthy and giving up smoking, so the amount of tax was going down, so the tax was increased and fags went up in price, and people were still being treated in the nhs for smoking related illnesses.
now the govt have realised that they're not making enough money and they're underfunding the nhs, so the only option is to promote giving up cigarettes, and promote healthy living (get fit 4 life), to make sure that in a few years time the cuts for the NHS will not make as much difference as everyone will be healthier.
They now want us all to give up smoking, so they can justify less spend on health services.
they're going to find something else to tax us on to make money, another of life's pleasures which will be denied to the poor (probably they'll start taxing home brew, or something).
just my thoughts on the matter - probably not true but you never know.
almost everyone smoked.
The government used to make a an absolute shed load of money from tax on tobacco.
and the NHS was spending loads on treating people with smoking related illnesses.
then people started getting healthy and giving up smoking, so the amount of tax was going down, so the tax was increased and fags went up in price, and people were still being treated in the nhs for smoking related illnesses.
now the govt have realised that they're not making enough money and they're underfunding the nhs, so the only option is to promote giving up cigarettes, and promote healthy living (get fit 4 life), to make sure that in a few years time the cuts for the NHS will not make as much difference as everyone will be healthier.
They now want us all to give up smoking, so they can justify less spend on health services.
they're going to find something else to tax us on to make money, another of life's pleasures which will be denied to the poor (probably they'll start taxing home brew, or something).
just my thoughts on the matter - probably not true but you never know.