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Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde - Robert Louis Stevenson
There is a little bit of Jekyll and Hyde in all of us so I'd put this great book as my number one mainly because after 6 pints I might be either one of them
The Time Machine - H.G Wells
For me Wells is just incredible, I don't really want to sound clichéd as it's easy to over state authors but for me H.G Wells had a fantastic imagination and was years ahead of his time which propels him to god status as far as science fiction writing is concerned.
1984 - George Orwell
The age old human flaw of self preservation that even has the ability to transcend love. There is a lot more to it than that. It's scary, emotive and radical. This book is correct in almost every way, it's only sin is that Orwell got the date wrong.
The Communist Manifesto - Karl Marx & Friedrich Engles
The concepts in this are not the ramblings of a highbrow fantasist. I never felt labored reading it which is a feat in itself. The great thing about this book is that it's ideas are still current especially now when we look at globalisation and the banking crisis etc. Quite simply brilliant and surprisingly not as inaccessible as one might think and it's what brought Marx to London through necessity other than choice.
There is a little bit of Jekyll and Hyde in all of us so I'd put this great book as my number one mainly because after 6 pints I might be either one of them
The Time Machine - H.G Wells
For me Wells is just incredible, I don't really want to sound clichéd as it's easy to over state authors but for me H.G Wells had a fantastic imagination and was years ahead of his time which propels him to god status as far as science fiction writing is concerned.
1984 - George Orwell
The age old human flaw of self preservation that even has the ability to transcend love. There is a lot more to it than that. It's scary, emotive and radical. This book is correct in almost every way, it's only sin is that Orwell got the date wrong.
The Communist Manifesto - Karl Marx & Friedrich Engles
The concepts in this are not the ramblings of a highbrow fantasist. I never felt labored reading it which is a feat in itself. The great thing about this book is that it's ideas are still current especially now when we look at globalisation and the banking crisis etc. Quite simply brilliant and surprisingly not as inaccessible as one might think and it's what brought Marx to London through necessity other than choice.
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Another one I feel ashamed not to have read - thanks, Mike.mikecg wrote:Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde - Robert Louis Stevenson
.mikecg wrote: The Communist Manifesto - Karl Marx & Friedrich Engles
Not you as well as Tim, Mike! This forum is being taken over by unreconstructed Bolsheviks.
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Capitalism is broken Robin and it's chickens have come home to roost.Robin Orton wrote: Not you as well as Tim, Mike! This forum is being taken over by unreconstructed Bolsheviks.
Vive la Revolution
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I was thinking of books like James Frey's 'A Million Little Pieces' - a supposed autobiography that turned out to be almost entirely fictitious. Which is why I said they were 'presented' as non-fiction. 'Deliberate invention'? Absolutely.Robin Orton wrote:Proved to be completely untrue, certainly, but I'd have thought that 'fictitious' usually carries the implication of a deliberate invention or device, as in the OED definition of 'feigned to exist; existing only in imagination; imaginary, unreal.' Which would cover e.g. 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion', but not e.g a medieval book about alchemy or the four humours. And, I agree, not the Bible, which is in a quite different category, as you say.rshdunlop wrote:There are plenty of examples of books that have been presented as non-fiction that have proved to be completely fictitious.
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I always think of Robert Louis Stevenson as the quintessential story teller - by the late 19th century professional writers like him had worked out as well as anyone has ever since how to grip the reader with an enthralling yarn, and not let anything else get in the way. Conan Doyle and Rider Haggard were similar contemporaries. But recently I've read a few Walter Scotts, and one of them, Rob Roy, Stevenson himself thought the best ever novel written. I can see why, and I can see how the the basic story of a relatively conventional young hero suddenly thrust into a wildly different, dangerous but exciting world, is the same as Kidnapped and Treasure Island.Robin Orton wrote:Another one I feel ashamed not to have read - thanks, Mike.mikecg wrote:Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde - Robert Louis Stevenson
But Walter Scott always has a political agenda, which is that two starkly opposed world views can be reconciled, generally in the person of the young hero and the girl he gets to marry. So Lowlander and Highlander, Catholic and Protestant, Norman and Saxon, etc. He also had another agenda, which was to get people to understand their history more sensitively; the second chapter of Old Mortality, which I read most recently, is more a statement of how he's going to do his historical research than anything to do with the story, making the case for oral history and popular culture rather than just political history. It left me wondering about the relationship between him and Macaulay; in early 19th century Edinburgh Scott was the editor of the Tory Quarterly Review, Macaulay a major contributor to the Whig Edinburgh Review. One of Macaulay's big innovations in historical writing was to give an account of the society in which political events would develop, but Scott was doing this before him, in his historical romances. I feel sure Macaulay would have been responding to this.
I think Scott is about as admirable a Tory as you can get - anything but stupid, sensitive to all sorts of position, wanting as much as possible to preserve society while allowing change for the better, and averse to any kind of dogmatism. Macaulay, OTOH, was a committed liberal in the language of the times, so now something of a favourite on the libertarian right. His belief in Free Trade and 'progress' led him, in 1830, to write this:
while Scott's understanding of how unsystematic ordinary humanity is allowed him to carry off a PR spectacular, besides which the recent Olympics will pale, when he got the Prince Regent to wear a kilt in Edinburgh to endorse his irenic reimagination of Scottish history.If we were to prophesy that in the year 1930 a population of fifty millions, better fed, clad, and lodged than the English of our time, will cover these islands, that Sussex and Huntingdonshire will be wealthier than the wealthiest parts of the West Riding of Yorkshire now are, that cultivation, rich as that of a flower-garden, will be carried up to the very tops of Ben Nevis and Helvellyn, that machines constructed on principles yet undiscovered, will be in every house, that there will be no highways but railroads, no travelling but by steam, that our debt, vast as it seems to us, will appear to our great-grandchildren a trifling incumbrance, which might easily be paid off in a year or two, many people would think us insane. We prophesy nothing; but this we say: If any person had told the Parliament which met in perplexity and terror after the crash in 1720 that in 1830 the wealth of England would surpass all their wildest dreams, that the annual revenue would equal the principal of that debt which they considered as an intolerable burden, that for one man of ten thousand pounds then living there would be five men of fifty thousand pounds, that London would be twice as large and twice as populous, and that nevertheless the rate of mortality would have diminished to one half of what it then was, that the post-office would bring more into the exchequer than the excise and customs had brought in together under Charles the Second, that stage-coaches would run from London to York in twenty-four hours, that men would be in the habit of sailing without wind, and would be beginning to ride without horses, our ancestors would have given as much credit to the prediction as they gave to Gulliver's Travels. Yet the prediction would have been true
I am not and never have been ... but the Communist Manifesto is well worth reading. I think his journalism is well worth reading too, although he tended to get over excited, predicting immanent revolution when a mob pulled down the railings round Hyde Park. Tories like Scott understood humanity better.Robin Orton wrote:.mikecg wrote: The Communist Manifesto - Karl Marx & Friedrich Engles
Not you as well as Tim, Mike! This forum is being taken over by unreconstructed Bolsheviks.
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It's good to find someone who still reads Scott. I read and enjoyed Rob Roy and The Bride of Lammermoor (frightened me to death) as a teenager, and then came back to him in middle age, although it's fifteen years since my last one (Peveril of the Peak, not one of his best). He can be very wordy, and I think modern readers find his long descriptive passages something of an acquired taste. But he has a really compelling sense of the narrative sweep of history, as well being able to create memorable characters.
I read somewhere that the nearer to his own period he sets his stories, the better they are. I found Ivanhoe and The Talisman, both set in the Middle Ages, disappointing (although The Fair Maid of Perth and The Monastery are OK.) Old Mortality , The Antiquary and The Heart of Midlothian on the other hand are great. I haven't read two of his Jacobite stories, Waverley and Redgauntlet - must put them on my list.
Tim compares him with the Whig Macaulay. I am currently reading and enjoying Douglas Hurd's biography of the Tory Robert Peel. Apparently he and Scott were great friends.
I read somewhere that the nearer to his own period he sets his stories, the better they are. I found Ivanhoe and The Talisman, both set in the Middle Ages, disappointing (although The Fair Maid of Perth and The Monastery are OK.) Old Mortality , The Antiquary and The Heart of Midlothian on the other hand are great. I haven't read two of his Jacobite stories, Waverley and Redgauntlet - must put them on my list.
Tim compares him with the Whig Macaulay. I am currently reading and enjoying Douglas Hurd's biography of the Tory Robert Peel. Apparently he and Scott were great friends.
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I had no idea Douglas Hurd was so old Robin.
I forgot about HG Wells, I have a great many of his books and they are cracking reads. One of my favourites is 'The Great Accelerator' from a book of short stories he wrote. they feel quite modern in the way they are written.
I also have a few original Strand magazines from the 1800's with the original Sherlock Holmes stories. I'd also include Sir Author Conan 'not the barbarian' Doyle as one of my favourite authors…
…and also Ian Fleming (I have all the original Bond books which I read in order, they are really fun).
I forgot about HG Wells, I have a great many of his books and they are cracking reads. One of my favourites is 'The Great Accelerator' from a book of short stories he wrote. they feel quite modern in the way they are written.
I also have a few original Strand magazines from the 1800's with the original Sherlock Holmes stories. I'd also include Sir Author Conan 'not the barbarian' Doyle as one of my favourite authors…
…and also Ian Fleming (I have all the original Bond books which I read in order, they are really fun).
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The first Conan Doyle books I read were not Sherlock Holmes but The Lost World and his two medieval romances, Sir Nigel and The White Company, which my father had read as a boy and introduced me to. I can still remember quite a lot about them. My father also recommended Rider Haggard to me, who Tim mentioned. Even more exciting - King Solomon's Mines, She, When The World Shook... anyone come across them?
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Yes I love rider haggard. And conan Doyle, challenger stories, kipling, puck of pooks hill (really struggling with predictive text tonight.) Jules verne one of my childhood favourites that's stayed with me. My favourite in the ripping yarns category is john buchan.
RLS amazing. Travels with a donkey or whatever it was called. Must re-read. I love his poetry too. Some of his words are on my dad's gravestone.
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But a confession ...
I don't think I've ever read Scott.
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I don't think I've ever read Scott.
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Ray bradbury - dandelion wine.
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Sorry I'm late - can I join the literary party?
Having read Clare Tomalin's biograpghy of Pepys and not being able to put it down until it was finished, I am currently reading her "Charles Dickens - A Life" - another well researched book and now in paperback. I think Dickens will be joining Pepys as one of my favourites.
Other favourite books include:
North and South by Elizabeth Gaskell - have read twice
The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists by Robert Tressell - well at least the first 3/4 - it does go on a bit after a while! I gather this is a book that has not been out of print since it was first published in about 1917 (I think?)
Any Rebus book by Ian Rankin - a great pity Rebus has now been penioned off.
Chocolat, and its sequel, The Lollipop Shoes, by Joanne Harris and a number of her other books - but not all, as several are really quite weird, in my opinion
Having read Clare Tomalin's biograpghy of Pepys and not being able to put it down until it was finished, I am currently reading her "Charles Dickens - A Life" - another well researched book and now in paperback. I think Dickens will be joining Pepys as one of my favourites.
Other favourite books include:
North and South by Elizabeth Gaskell - have read twice
The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists by Robert Tressell - well at least the first 3/4 - it does go on a bit after a while! I gather this is a book that has not been out of print since it was first published in about 1917 (I think?)
Any Rebus book by Ian Rankin - a great pity Rebus has now been penioned off.
Chocolat, and its sequel, The Lollipop Shoes, by Joanne Harris and a number of her other books - but not all, as several are really quite weird, in my opinion
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Quick follow up with regard to The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists. According to Google it was first published in an abridged edition in 1914 and finally in an unabridged edition in 1955 (the one I read!).
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Buchan,yes. But a bit of an imperial relic I think. We read Prester John at school, which I'm sure is pretty racist. And I remember, even as a teenager, being rather shocked by the ant-Semitism in, I think, Greenmantle.marymck wrote:Yes I love rider haggard. And conan Doyle, challenger stories, kipling, puck of pooks hill (really struggling with predictive text tonight.) Jules verne one of my childhood favourites that's stayed with me. My favourite in the ripping yarns category is john buchan.
RLS amazing. Travels with a donkey or whatever it was called. Must re-read.
Puck of Pook's Hill. Gave me a vision of England which has stuck with me all my life:
'She is not any common Earth
Water or Wood or Air
But Merlin's Isle of Grammarye
Where you and I will fare.'
If you liked Travels With A Donkey, you'd probably like the travel books of George Borrow: Lavengro, Romany Rye (travels with gypsies in England), and The Bible in Spain (don't be put off by the title!)
Pepys is wonderful. If you haven't read the actual diaries, there's a good selection called The Shorter Pepys, with useful notes and an introduction.Pat Trembath wrote:Sorry I'm late - can I join the literary party?
Having read Clare Tomalin's biograpghy of Pepys and not being able to put it down until it was finished.,
Other favourite books include: North and South by Elizabeth Gaskell - have read twice
I too enjoyed North and South. I must read Mary Barton.
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Yes, do read Mary barton - her first novel, and then Cranford, Wives and Daughters and others - (sticks neck out) I think she is so much meatier than other mid-19 century women novelists...
In my opinion North and South is such good a read because in this novel she has the knack of writing in the Mancunian dialect (she was living in Knutsford for a good part of her life). Her writing ability crosses the social boundaries from middle class industrialists suffering economic downturn problems, to the working classes having to deal with the results.
In my opinion North and South is such good a read because in this novel she has the knack of writing in the Mancunian dialect (she was living in Knutsford for a good part of her life). Her writing ability crosses the social boundaries from middle class industrialists suffering economic downturn problems, to the working classes having to deal with the results.
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Thanks for the book suggestions, Robin. Yes, I suppose Buchan could be described as an imperial relic, being Governor General of Canada. And I must confess to not having read Prester John, so I don't know what was said in that book, nor the context. But I don't believe he was an anti-semite. Some of his characters were - but they often turned out to be the baddies - often Germans in disguise. I believe Buchan spoke out against Hitler and anti-semitism very early on. And I think he was even a Zionist supporter. (Which may well make him anti Muslim, maybe? I need to re-read Greenmantle to check on that.)Robin Orton wrote: Buchan,yes. But a bit of an imperial relic I think. We read Prester John at school, which I'm sure is pretty racist. And I remember, even as a teenager, being rather shocked by the ant-Semitism in, I think, Greenmantle.
The thing is with all these ripping yarns that I think we have to read them in the context of their times and accept that they use language and sometimes have attitudes we'd now find distasteful. Rider Haggard was perhaps exceptional in having black heroes for example, but mostly yes this school of writing is pretty colonialist and white.
I'd add Conrad to my favourite authors as well, btw. Especially Lord Jim, Heart of Darkness and one that I'm now racking my brain to remember the title of ... aargh! It's set on a ship.
I just enjoy the stories.
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I think I may have something of a blind spot for Conrad (as well as for F. Scott Fitzgerald!) I read Nostromo and The Secret Agent over thirty years ago, and, more recently, started but didn't finish Heart of Darkness (unusual for me, I usually manage to persevere even with books I don't find immediately attractive - like Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace, which I finished a few weeks ago - but I'm just showing off now! )
I just found Conrad really hard work. I thought it was a bit like reading a novel which had been translated from a foreigh language - not that his English wasn't perfect, but I had this feeling of sort of reading him through a sort of social or cultural screen. (I should say that I have read and enjoyed novels that really were translated from foreign languages - I nearly put War and Peace as well as Don Quixote in my top five, but I thought that might come over as a bit pretentious.)
I just found Conrad really hard work. I thought it was a bit like reading a novel which had been translated from a foreigh language - not that his English wasn't perfect, but I had this feeling of sort of reading him through a sort of social or cultural screen. (I should say that I have read and enjoyed novels that really were translated from foreign languages - I nearly put War and Peace as well as Don Quixote in my top five, but I thought that might come over as a bit pretentious.)
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Not easy but.....
Star of the Sea- Joseph Oconnor
Cloud Atlas- David Mitchell
His Dark materials - Philip Pullman
The Good Soldier Svec- háček
1066 and All That- sellers and thingy
God morning
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Star of the Sea- Joseph Oconnor
Cloud Atlas- David Mitchell
His Dark materials - Philip Pullman
The Good Soldier Svec- háček
1066 and All That- sellers and thingy
God morning
Nigel
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Thanks for telling us about Star of the Sea, Nigel - sounds good. I agree with you about the Sellars and Yeatman (though I suspect it's probably showing its age) and Cloud Atlas (weird but haunting, although I must admit the details haven't really stuck in my memory. I've got his latest, The Thousand Autumns of Jacob de Zoet, on my wish list.) I quite enjoyed the first volume of His Dark Materials, but not enough to make me want to read the other two. The Good Soldier Švejk? Hm, would need some convincing - Middle European picaresque satire with a military setting, doesn't appeal immediately.
Mention of 1066 And All That made me think of three other books which had me in fits of uncontrollable laughter when I first read them - Down With Skool (the first of the Molesworth books); Three Men on the Bummel (Jerome K. Jerome - better than Three Men in a Boat, I thought, perhaps because I read it first); and Lucky Jim by Kingsley Amis. Would they have the same effect if I re-read them now? Probably not.
Mention of 1066 And All That made me think of three other books which had me in fits of uncontrollable laughter when I first read them - Down With Skool (the first of the Molesworth books); Three Men on the Bummel (Jerome K. Jerome - better than Three Men in a Boat, I thought, perhaps because I read it first); and Lucky Jim by Kingsley Amis. Would they have the same effect if I re-read them now? Probably not.
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One on my must read list is Lansing's Endurance. (Incidentally, Annie - you might enjoy this one too - it's LJ Gibbs' book of choice!)