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Annie.
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Are you heading for a pauper's funeral?
By Adrian Holliday, Jul 17, 2012
Increasing numbers of UK cash-strapped families are burying family members in 'pauper funerals' - or Public Health Funerals.

The rise is due to the climbing cost of private funeral arrangements - and the sharp bump in Government Funeral Payment support rejections, typically worth an average £1,217.

Can you afford to die?
"Quite simply, it is becoming too expensive for poor people to die," says Dr Kate Woodthorpe, sociology lecturer at the University of Bath and author of a report on the issue. "Thousands of the most vulnerable in society are being let down by a system of state support that lacks coherence and is so unclear that some applicants have to resort to alternative means to organise a funeral."

She adds: "One participant in the study decided to undertake a DIY funeral, buying her mother's coffin from the internet and picking up the body from the hospital in her car. She subsequently sold the car to generate cash to pay for the funeral costs."

Woodthorpe says the UK's ageing population will likely accelerate the demand for state support funerals. Last year applications rejected for a Funeral Payment pushed up almost 7%. Given the the UK death rate is likely to rise by at least 15% each year for the next 15 years, that state support is likely to come under greater pressure.

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Rising concerns about pensioner poverty funeral costs are now a huge issue for a growing number of people on low incomes. The issue can be clouded over a lack of cost transparency from some funeral company operators.

There can also be pressure - even stigma or social shame - applied to people who opt for the simplest, cheapest funeral available. (The average UK funeral now costs more than £3,000.)

The issue is made worse if Funeral Payment applicants are pushed into debt by being forced to commit to pricey funeral costs before being informed whether or not they'll get financial help from the State. Then there are also all the other related costs: non-discretionary funeral charges such as religious service fees, not to mention probate and legal costs.

Almost 7% of all UK deaths were sponsored by the Department for Work and Pensions social fund funeral payments scheme last year, worth a total of £46.2 million, or around £1,217 per applicant. 34,000 people applied to the scheme but were rejected.

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marymck
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Annie. wrote:Almost 7% of all UK deaths were sponsored by the Department for Work and Pensions social fund funeral payments scheme last year
Well that's one way to cut the hospital waiting lists.

Seriously though, funerals are shockingly expensive and it's all too easy to let the funeral director decide things when you're grieving.

Some of them also seem to lack basic understanding of grief and can be very heartless, as I know from personal experience.
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Annie.
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;0))

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Oops sorry Annie - I edited my post, because I thought I sounded flippant. I only had the quote and my first line when you replied. Sorry.

M x
Annie.
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Thats ok Mary no offence taken,when my sister died 3 years ago, I had to pay half of her funeral costs, what a rip off! Thats why I have told my kids,bury me in the garden or scatter me to the wind, why do we pay for say a coffin when its allegedly going to go up in flames? We should be allowed cardboard ones,if we have to have one at all.
Do they burn the coffin? Or is it recycled for he next idiot to pay £3000 for?

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Eagle
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Could someone clarify. very sad if someone has to have a paupers funeral.

Having unfortunately had to arrange 4 funerals in the last 5 years , I regret a bit knowledgeable .

I know that cremation works out roughly a third the cost of burial . However councils seem to bury people,

Is that because they know the person wanted to be buried or just the done thing.

Most people seem to favour cremation and also much less cost to public purse.

If I have any facts wrong I humbly apologise. A very sensitive issue.
Tim Lund
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The tone of this thread I started on our sister Forum may be too flippant as well:
I seem to remember hearing something else about the problem of ocean depletion - that with the ever expanding human population, by 2050 there would be no more large fish such as sharks and cod in the ocean. I can't find the link, but here's one to a Horizon documentary from last year [link no longer works]

I think there's a link here ... and I'm sure you've got my (ocean?) drift. Previously I've thought I'd want a green burial, maybe in some woodland, not wasting fossil fuel on cremation, and let my rotten body fertitlise the earth. Now I'd like it collected and dumped at sea where these threatened large fish can feast on it. And if my children and grandchildren should ever wish to remember me, let them go down to the local fish and chip shop.
I'm not sure about getting your kids to bury you in the garden - I think there might be some significant public health problems, as well as legal ones. I'd prefer it if we could get over the supposed shame of a pauper's funeral, so calling the bluff of the funeral trade, maybe helped by the state ensuring a modicum of dignity to them, as Registrars do with registry office weddings.
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see me rot . com Just because you are dead doesn't mean you cant have friends over is their motto :D

Live coffin cams and other macabre offerings 8)

I think I'll be going for a cremation/paupers funeral and a cardboard coffin. No point spending a fortune on something that's going to be burned, a complete waste of wood, it doesn't grow on trees you know.
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Haha,yep I think you are right Mike, I object to the funeral directors playing on peoples sorrow,I have had to bury 3 loved ones to date,when we went to directors we just basically said yes to almost everything, an extra car was £300 for an hour at the most,I think the government should be checking up on whats happening,I will go for a paupers funeral if I can, thats after any cash from the sale of my house has paid for myself and husbands care in a home.;0))
As for being buried in the garden, i'm sure I read somewhere its allowed providing certain criteria's are met.

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There is something morbidly comical about death. There have been many a sketch on the box :D and films that portray it in a humorous way which is a good way to deal with it tbf.
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Annie.
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You gotta laugh....................

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Eagle
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Very sad topic.
I am 99% sure burial in ones garden not permitted. One reason could be people tend to move and a new owner might dig up by accident.

Cremation surely best for all concerned as apart from anything else we have not got room for all the new graves.
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Apart from the studies which have indicated a higher incidence of children born with birth defects near crematorium incinerators........

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ators.html
Eagle
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Maestro
I cannot recall your comments on the DM , but many on this site seem to think it writes a pack of lies.

I agree there MAY be a problem here that needs to be investigated. Surely cannot be in the league of that monster incinerator near New X G Station

At Elmers End for instance the incinerator quite a way from housing , which is only on 1 of 4 sides anyway
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http://www.richmond.gov.uk/home/communi ... e_land.htm

There are lots of examples on the net,but I have just listed the first one I saw.
It seems its quite common Eagle,I think I might go under the rose bush!
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Eagle
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Advising the land registry etc could be costly and time consuming. I still think cremation is best option.
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