It is a modified saturday service - some extra peak trains are running.
Nobody asked for a normal weekday service on Thursday last week....
And no, off-peak restrictions have not been relaxed
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I suppose the reasoning is that a lot of companies will close down for the whole week and not bother reopening till Monday, therefore less demand.
It is a modified saturday service - some extra peak trains are running.
Nobody asked for a normal weekday service on Thursday last week....
And no, off-peak restrictions have not been relaxed
It is a modified saturday service - some extra peak trains are running.
Nobody asked for a normal weekday service on Thursday last week....
And no, off-peak restrictions have not been relaxed
ah, so they offer a reduced service but still charge the same....isn't that called taking the proverbial urine in any other service or industry?Barty wrote:I suppose the reasoning is that a lot of companies will close down for the whole week and not bother reopening till Monday, therefore less demand.And no, off-peak restrictions have not been relaxed
but the simple fact of the matter is is that its a normal working day and they are (supposedly) providing a service.
Thursday was an exception as it was a bank holiday
You don't pay your rail fare to travel on every single service that may or may not be running .... you only pay to travel on one of them!bensonby wrote:ah, so they offer a reduced service but still charge the same....isn't that called taking the proverbial urine in any other service or industry?
As a passenger, the choice of train on which you travel is a decision you make, based on which one runs at the most suitable time for you to get to your destination when you wish.
If you want to have the option of travelling at the exact time you wish, call a taxi (and then hope it turns up at the time you ordered it, and hope that there isnt a traffic jam
)Was the modified Saturday service on Friday in peak hours closer to the normal weekday peak hour service or the normal Saturday service? If it was more like the latter then they should have charged off-peak prices.
I suppose most people travelling on Friday in peak hours would not have been affected by this because they would have have season tickets - which leads me to another gripe - they've gone up again by a massive amount! Fortunately I renewed my annual season ticket a few days ago but this seems like another move to push people off public transport and into cars.
I suppose most people travelling on Friday in peak hours would not have been affected by this because they would have have season tickets - which leads me to another gripe - they've gone up again by a massive amount! Fortunately I renewed my annual season ticket a few days ago but this seems like another move to push people off public transport and into cars.
You might have to explain to younger readers just what British Rail was - it died a death some time ago. I think we should be aiming for a rail service commensorate with our status as a leading industrialised nation.Why is everyone always complaing about British Rail. I suggest they try the rail service in the Undemocratic Republic of The Congo.
I suppose it depends on what you call "closer" - I don't have any precise statistics as to how many trains Southern ran yesterday compared to a normal Friday, but I would imagine a station like Sydenham would have seen a few less peak services than usual, bearing in mind that trains to London bridge are sometimes no more than five minutes apart in the morning peak.Thomas wrote:Was the modified Saturday service on Friday in peak hours closer to the normal weekday peak hour service or the normal Saturday service? If it was more like the latter then they should have charged off-peak prices.
Good job you weren't anywhere near Wandsworth about half an hour later.....
A points failure caused delays between Clapham Junction and Wandsworth Common, and the resultant emergency engineering works closed one of the four train tracks between those two stations for some three hours around lunchtime.
A points failure caused delays between Clapham Junction and Wandsworth Common, and the resultant emergency engineering works closed one of the four train tracks between those two stations for some three hours around lunchtime.
but as Thomas said, those with season tickets pay to use the trains any time they please. This would, one would assume, a full weekday service on an ordinary working weekdayBarty wrote:You don't pay your rail fare to travel on every single service that may or may not be running .... you only pay to travel on one of them!bensonby wrote:ah, so they offer a reduced service but still charge the same....isn't that called taking the proverbial urine in any other service or industry?
As a passenger, the choice of train on which you travel is a decision you make, based on which one runs at the most suitable time for you to get to your destination when you wish.
If you want to have the option of travelling at the exact time you wish, call a taxi (and then hope it turns up at the time you ordered it, and hope that there isnt a traffic jam
Your hint at free-market-ness in the railways (people choosing to travel) is a fallacy, as they hold a virtual monopoly on that kind of commuting...
And a(nother) points failure? Don't other businesses give refunds when they don't deliver the service that their customers have paid for? i.e. To take me from A to B at a certain advertised time....
Bensonby wrote:Quite, It is after all, against the law to get, or attempt to get, on a train while people are getting off..... and I have pulled people up on that fact before as well as its also downright rude.
Railway Byelaw Section 10 (1)Barty wrote:Is it really? i didn't know that. More crucially, from an operations point of view, it causes delays. Which annoy everybody.
<hangs head in shame> Must find out about Railway bye-laws I think.
No person shall enter through any train door until any person leaving by that door has passed through
And you can be required to leave railway property if you breach this (or any other) Byelaw, and removed from railway property using reasonable force if you do not comply
But it wasn't a normal working weekday, really, was it? Figures released by ATOC (the Association of Train Operating Companies) showed a decrease in passenger numbers of some 85% compared with a normal Friday. Train operators know this, and adjust service levels to match.bensonby wrote:...but as Thomas said, those with season tickets pay to use the trains any time they please. This would, one would assume, a full weekday service on an ordinary working weekday
I accept your point that, for most journey opportunities by rail in this country, only one train operator runs the service. I'm not sure what the solution is - if you were to allow another train operator to run trains over the exact same routes that Southern runs, this operator's trains would still break down, still experience points failures, still use the same stations, etc etc etc.Bensonby wrote: Your hint at free-market-ness in the railways (people choosing to travel) is a fallacy, as they hold a virtual monopoly on that kind of commuting...
Your choice is whether to travel by train, car, cycle, bus, plane, skateboard, or whatever mode of transport suits your time constraints and budget.
Do they?Bensonby wrote:And a(nother) points failure? Don't other businesses give refunds when they don't deliver the service that their customers have paid for? i.e. To take me from A to B at a certain advertised time....
Does the Department for Transport refund a portion of your road tax when you have sat in a traffic jam? Ever tried to get a refund from an airline when your plane has been delayed? Touch in your Oyster card for a pay-as-you-go credit when you've waited half an hour for a bus that's supposed to come every ten minutes?
I thought not
Or a Refund from Royal Mail when you have to repost other peoples mail when it has been wrongly deliveredBarty wrote:bensonby wrote:........................................................................
Does the Department for Transport refund a portion of your road tax when you have sat in a traffic jam? Ever tried to get a refund from an airline when your plane has been delayed? Touch in your Oyster card for a pay-as-you-go credit when you've waited half an hour for a bus that's supposed to come every ten minutes?
I thought not
Don't know who are the worst?
Quite
Although you could argue that, if you wanted to travel from Sydenham to Croydon, for example, you have a choice of train, bus, car or taxi.
If, as a private individual (as opposed to a business) you wanted to post a letter from Sydenham to Croydon, you have the choice of Royal Mail....or......ummm........errr......Royal Mail.
Although you could argue that, if you wanted to travel from Sydenham to Croydon, for example, you have a choice of train, bus, car or taxi.
If, as a private individual (as opposed to a business) you wanted to post a letter from Sydenham to Croydon, you have the choice of Royal Mail....or......ummm........errr......Royal Mail.
SATURDAY 10TH 8am
The services to and from Caterham that come through Sydenham are delayed this morning due to two broken down trains at Caterham.
Syd's trains to and from other destinations (e.g. the Victoria to London Bridge and the Sutton to London Bridge services) are pretty much okay.
If you're going further afield to the south coast, some services are delayed to a broken down train at Balcombe (between Gatwick and Haywards Heath).
<EDIT> In fact a few Caterhams aree being cancelled now.
The services to and from Caterham that come through Sydenham are delayed this morning due to two broken down trains at Caterham.
Syd's trains to and from other destinations (e.g. the Victoria to London Bridge and the Sutton to London Bridge services) are pretty much okay.
If you're going further afield to the south coast, some services are delayed to a broken down train at Balcombe (between Gatwick and Haywards Heath).
<EDIT> In fact a few Caterhams aree being cancelled now.